From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Nov 3 10:22:00 2008 From: "Marcel Swart marcel.swart|*|icrea.es" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: mail from Joshi Message-Id: <-38013-081103085459-20375-6iwh+f173ZkDPSgDAFHvvQ.:.server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Marcel Swart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-450450296 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:17:49 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Sent to CCL by: Marcel Swart [marcel.swart**icrea.es] --Apple-Mail-3-450450296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Note also the following paper, for hydrocarbons it gives good and =20 fast results (seconds on regular PC): http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ct8003222 Thermochemistry of Hydrocarbons. Back to Extended H=FCckel Theory On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Kalju Kahn kalju]=3D[chem.ucsb.edu wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Kalju Kahn" [kalju:+:chem.ucsb.edu] > Joshi, > > Are you sure that you need B3LYP/3-21G* geometry for this structure? > Seems like molecular mechanics with MM3 might be better suited for > optimizing a large hydrocarbon. > > If you need DFT geometry for some reason, try to freeze all =20 > dihedrals and > optimize bond distances and angles first. Small deviations of =20 > torsional > angles around single bonds is more acceptable than an unusually =20 > stretched > bond for calculation of some molecular properties. > > Kalju > >> Dear CCLers; Hi >> >> I am optimizing a molecule having 387 atoms (only C and H atoms) =20 >> which >> includes neatly 16 methyl groups as substitutions in G03w, and the =20= >> method >> is b3lyp/3-21g*. During the optimization the Maximum Force >> and=C2 RMS=C2 Forces are sometimes converging,=C2 Maximum >> Displacement=C2 and=C2 RMS=C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 Displacements are not = converging =20 >> and the >> molecules energy is oscillating. I am using=C2 following keywords in =20= >> route >> section as >> >> %mem=3D1500mb >> %nproc=3D4 >> #p opt=3D(gdiis,maxcycle=3D200) b3lyp/3-21g* scf=3Dmaxcycle=3D500 >> >> Please give me suggestion >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Joshi >> >> >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to >> http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dr. Kalju Kahn > Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry > UC Santa Barbara, CA 93106 > > > > -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing =20 > script =3D- > To recover the email address of the author of the message, please =20 > change> Conferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/=20 > conferences/ > > Search Messages: http://www.ccl.net/htdig (login: ccl, Password: =20 > search)> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D dr. Marcel Swart ICREA researcher at Institut de Qu=EDmica Computacional Universitat de Girona Parc Cient=EDfic i Tecnol=F2gic Edifici Jaume Casademont (despatx A-27) Pic de Peguera 15 17003 Girona Catalunya (Spain) tel +34-972-183240 fax +34-972-183241 e-mail marcel.swart:+:icrea.es marcel.swart:+:udg.edu web http://www.icrea.cat/Web/ScientificForm.aspx?key=3D372 http://iqc.udg.edu/~marcel =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --Apple-Mail-3-450450296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Note also the following paper, for hydrocarbons it gives good and fast = results (seconds on regular = PC):

http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ct8003222

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Thermochemistry of = Hydrocarbons. Back to Extended H=FCckel Theory

On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:41 = AM, Kalju Kahn kalju]=3D[chem.ucsb.edu wrote:


Sent to = CCL by: "Kalju Kahn" [kalju:+:chem.ucsb.edu]
Joshi,

Are you sure that you need = B3LYP/3-21G* geometry for this structure?=A0
Seems = like molecular mechanics with MM3 might be better suited for
optimizing a large hydrocarbon.

If you = need DFT geometry for some reason, try to freeze all dihedrals = and
optimize bond distances and = angles first.=A0 Small = deviations of torsional
angles around = single bonds is more acceptable than an unusually stretched
bond for calculation of some molecular = properties.

Kalju

Dear = CCLers; Hi

I am optimizing a molecule having 387 atoms (only C = and H atoms) which
includes neatly 16 methyl = groups as substitutions in G03w, and the method
is b3lyp/3-21g*. During the optimization the Maximum = Force
and=C2=A0RMS=C2=A0Forces are = sometimes converging,=C2=A0Maximum
molecules = energy is oscillating. I am using=C2=A0following keywords in = route
section as

%nproc=3D4
#p opt=3D(gdiis,maxcycle=3D200) b3lyp/3-21g* = scf=3Dmaxcycle=3D500
Please give me = suggestion

Thanks in advance




=A0 =A0 =A0 Add more friends to = your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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