From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Sep 29 10:41:00 2006 From: "Jim Kress ccl_nospam_-_kressworks.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: CCL rules Message-Id: <-32670-060929101741-14560-U8S5dE6NcecHXrJ3Sk0TsA#,#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:17:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam..kressworks.com] OK. I'll bite. What is "FOCH" and how do I access it? Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Dominic Ryan dominic.ryan[*]comcast.net > [mailto:owner-chemistry . ccl.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:14 PM > To: Kress, Jim > Subject: CCL:G: CCL rules > > Sent to CCL by: "Dominic Ryan" [dominic.ryan . comcast.net] > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C6E34D.B8E721E0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This is actually an interesting topic and a rare digression > from G03 difficulties. > > > > If one looks back over the many years of CCL usage I cannot > think of any other occurrences of a journal editor supplying > a steady stream of references to 'his' journal and I have > been reading the list approximately since it started. > > > > I find it all the more notable when considering that the > journal in question only covers computational chemistry in part. > > > > Occasional pointers to volumes such as the reviews series by > Don Boyd were entirely appropriate I think, in part since > they were a single event and in part because they were > completely about the broad subject this list is about and > highly valued by the community. > > > > This is not to say that some of the topics raised are not > interesting, indeed they are. Still, to my reading, Sengen > Sun raises a pertinent point that stands apart from his > dispute with articles in the journal. Nor would I either > want to see such discussion of the topics squelched, some of > it does belong here while other topics seem quite a stretch. > > > > So, while I had not twigged to the issue myself, now that he > raised the question I think he may have a point about undue > highlighting of a journal by its editor. > > > > Dominic Ryan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-chemistry[A]ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry[A]ccl.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:22 PM > To: Ryan, M Dominic > Subject: CCL: CCL rules > > > > Sent to CCL by: Sengen Sun [sengensun+/-yahoo.com] > > > > > Dear Professor Eric Scerri, > > > > > In science, there are some basic rules such as > > following logic and using concise words as much as we > > can. These basic rules should make sure that science > > is distinguished from religions, arts, politics, etc. > > In the reality, it is very complicated. > > > > > I am not sure that you are aware of some rules in CCL. > > Although there are no expplicit rules on journal and > > book advertisements, in my philosophy, the following > > rules apply: > > > > > "Commercial software: software sold to anyone for more > > than a cost of packing, shipping and handling. If you > > wish to submit a commercial announcement to the list, > > please respect the following rules: > > .. > > No reposting -- Reposts of software announcements are > > not permitted unless new features/releases become > > available."...... > > > > > In my logic, no journals or books are more priviledged > > to be posted here than software programs of > > computational chemistry. > > > > > I don't mean to attack your journal or your book. Your > > book about the Periodic Table looks good to me by the > > introduction. I am considering to buy one. But rules > > are rules. I always consider what rules to follow or > > what rules to apply to us. > > > > > I did see a few good articles in FOCH, although I have > > disagreements on some others. I apologize for my bad > > emotion when I strongly disagree. I like a recent > > article by Jay A. Labinger (FOCH, 2006, 8(2), 97). The > > first sentence in the Abstract says: > > > > > "The Science Wars have pitted defenders of science > > against those accused of attacking it with the weapons > > of constructivism and relativism." > > > > > I am very surprised that the attackers on science are > > so sttrong - defenders are pitted! Who did it? It is > > lawless, isn't it? > > > > Regards, > > > > Sengen > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.comhttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_m essagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammer s.txt------=_NextPart_000_003C_> 01C6E34D.B8E721E0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> > > > charset=3Dus-ascii"> > > > medium)"> > > > > > >
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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>This is actually an interesting topic and a rare > digression from = > G03 > difficulties.

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>If one looks back over the many years of CCL usage I > cannot = think of any other occurrences of a journal editor > supplying a steady stream of references to 'his' journal and > I have been reading the list = approximately since it > started.

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New"> New"'>I find it all the more notable when = considering that > the journal in question only covers computational chemistry > in = part.

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>Occasional pointers to volumes such as the reviews > series by Don = Boyd were entirely appropriate I think, in > part since they were a single = event and in part because > they were completely about the broad subject this list = is > about and highly valued by the community. >

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>This is not to say that some of the topics raised are > not = interesting, indeed they are.  Still, to my > reading, Sengen Sun raises a = pertinent point that stands > apart from his dispute with articles in the journal.  = > Nor would I either want to see such discussion of the topics > squelched, some = of it does belong here while other topics > seem quite a = stretch.

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>So, while I had not twigged to the issue myself, now > that he = raised the question I think he may have a point > about undue highlighting of a = journal by its > editor.

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>Dominic Ryan

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> > From: owner-chemistry[A]ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry[A]ccl.net] > >
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:22 PM
> To: Ryan, M Dominic
> Subject: CCL: CCL rules

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>Sent to CCL by: Sengen Sun = > [sengensun+/-yahoo.com]

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>Dear Professor Eric Scerri,

> >

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> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>In science, there are some basic rules such = > as

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>following logic and using concise words as much as = > we

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>can. These basic rules should make sure that = > science

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>is distinguished from religions, arts, politics, = > etc.

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>In the reality, it is very = > complicated.

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>> 

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>I am not sure that you are aware of some rules in = > CCL.

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>Although there are no expplicit rules on journal = > and

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>book advertisements, in my philosophy, the = > following

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>rules apply:

> >

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> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>"Commercial software: software sold to anyone > for = more

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>than a cost of packing, shipping and handling. If = > you

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>wish to submit a commercial announcement to the = > list,

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>please respect the following > rules:

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>...

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>No reposting -- Reposts of software announcements = > are

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>not permitted unless new features/releases = > become

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>available."......

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>> 

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>In my logic, no journals or books are more = > priviledged

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>to be posted here than software programs = > of

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>computational chemistry.

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>> 

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>I don't mean to attack your journal or your book. = > Your

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>book about the Periodic Table looks good to me by the > =

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>introduction. I am considering to buy one. But = > rules

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>are rules. I always consider what rules to follow = > or

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>what rules to apply to us.

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>> 

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>I did see a few good articles in FOCH, although I = > have

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>disagreements on some others. I apologize for my = > bad

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>emotion when I strongly disagree. I like a = > recent

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>article by Jay A. Labinger (FOCH, 2006, 8(2), 97). = > The

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>first sentence in the Abstract = > says:

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>> 

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>"The Science Wars have pitted defenders of = > science

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>against those accused of attacking it with the = > weapons

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>of constructivism and = > relativism."

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>> 

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>I am very surprised that the attackers on science = > are

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>so sttrong - defenders are pitted! Who did it? It = > is

> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>lawless, isn't it?

> >

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> >

style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>Regards,

> >

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style=3D'font-size: > 10.0pt'>Sengen

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