From mes@atlas.chemistry.uakron.edu Fri May 28 20:49:04 1993 Date: Sat, 29 May 93 00:49:04 EDT From: mes@atlas.chemistry.uakron.edu (Mary Ellen Scott) Message-Id: <9305290449.AA24433@atlas.chemistry.uakron.edu> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: repsonse ot OH---FC Dear netters, Here are the responses to my query for information on O-H...F-C) bonding. From: (Dr.) Dave Winkler Subject: Calcs on hydrogen bonds I did some simple conformational calculations on 2-substituted ethanols to assess whether AM1 or PM3 did a better job of modelling hydrogen bonding. From memory I found PM3 better. I can probably go back to my notebook if you want more. ---- From: Gertjan Boks Subject: Re: Hydrogen bonding To my present knowledge hydrogen bonds donated by an oxygen to a fluorine bonded to carbon have never been observed experimentally nor theoretically. The assumption that they do exist is for instance been made in studying carbohydrate - protein complexes where a sugar hydroxyl group has been replaced by a fluorine (Vermersch et al, J.Mol.Biol.,226,923-929 (1992). Searches in the Cambridge Structural Database for OH..F-C hydrogen bonds nor ab-initio calculations supported the existence of these hydrogen bonds. This information came to me from Jan Kanters from the Bijvoet Center for Biomolecular Research in Utrecht, the Netherlands. He is an expert in the field of hydrogen bonds. The studies he mentioned have not been published however. ----- From: Janne Nieminen Subject: RE: hydrogen bonding I have just submitted M. S. about conformers of fluoroacetic acid and chloroacetic acid to J. Phys. Chem. (I used matrix isolation technique and ab initio calculations.) At PM2/6-311G** level the energy difference between conformers having C=O---O-H interaction and conformer having C-F---O-H interaction is ca. 5 kJ/mol. The conformer having neither intermolecular interaction is ca. 30 kJ/mol higher in energy. (These conformers have Cs symmetry). If you are more interested in these results I could FAX or mail more. ----- From: jabs@chemie.uni-halle.dbp.de Subject: (O-H..F-C) for calculation of intra- and intermolecular hydrogen bond O-H..F-C: L.A.Curtiss, Int.J.of Quantum Chemistry, Quantum Chemistry Symposium 11(1977)459 (CF3CH2OH monomers and dimers) for IR spectroscopy M.Plass and A.Kolbe, J.Mol.Struct. 267(1992)21 (1.1.1.3.3.3-hexafluoropropanol) Andreas From: raman@bioc01.uthscsa.edu (C.S.RAMAN) Subject: Re: Hydrogen bonding Emsley et al. ( J. Am. Chem. Soc., 103, 14 [1981]) found evidence for strong hydrogen bonding of F- by amides (R-CO-NH2) by 'ab initio calculations and from NMR and IR studies of reactions products of strong solutions of amides and F-. This is one of the most interesting and conclusive studies that I know of; but if you are interested in hydrogen bonding of F- in the case of biological systems, see the work by Joe Kraut et al. ( J. Biol. Chem. 259, 12984 [1984]). ----- From: biocad!paganini.biocad.com!scott@sgi.com (Scott Kahn) Subject: O-H...F-C All of the references that I have use HF or F- as the acceptor. I would be interested if you obtain numbers for fluorocarbon H-bonding. ----- Thanks Again, and more responses are always welcome Mary Ellen