From jkl@ccl.net  Sat Sep 26 19:43:20 1992
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:43:20 -0400
From: jkl@ccl.net
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: Adds on the list


Dear Netters,
Sorry for taking the bandwidth. But again on commercials.
We had a discussion on this a long time ago. It was fierce. Of course,
in such cases you have 50/50 split among those who want (or tolerate)
commercials adds on the list, and those who do not. Contrary to popular
belief, the rules of Internet are not that strict on that issue. My opinion
does not matter, but as you may guess, I like to learn something useful
and hate contents-free adds with hype and address as the only contents.

After discussion, I decided what is the "reasonable compromise" (is there
such a thing?...) and I put it into the help file (the file which describes
the rules of the list). I am not saying that the rules are perfect, but
nothing is... (oh, well... maybe me :-)   ). 
Please read this file before posting...  You  can get it from anonymous ftp
on www.ccl.net in pub/chemistry or via e-mail by sending a message:
   send help from chemistry
to OSCPOST@ccl.net  or OSCPOST@OHSTPY.BITNET.

I appended fragments of this file below.

Jan Labanowski
Ohio Supercomputer Center
jkl@ccl.net

=======================================================================

 IV. COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
     Commercial Software - software that was sold to anyone for more than
         the cost of handling and documentation (up to few hundreds dollars).

     Commercial Posting - commercial software advertisements posted by the
         people who develop or sell the software. Postings responding
         to user questions, as well as bug reports, requests for comments, and
         tips on efficient software use are not considered commercial
         postings and are highly encouraged. Commercial software reviews or
         evaluations conducted by people not associated with the software
         vendor/developer are also encouraged.

     Rules for Commercial Postings:
           Short (15 lines or less) commercial postings are allowed.
         They should include a straightforward "Subject:" line. Reposts
         are not allowed unless new features/releases become available.
         Please make them informative, since they are useless otherwise.
         Announcements of "vaporware" (software that is not yet working
         or available) are not allowed in any form.
           You can submit commercial postings of any length to list owners
         at chemistry-request@ccl.net or chemistry-request@oscsunb.ccl.net
           List owners will make these available for automatic download
         and will periodically post the index with such announcements.

  V. EMPLOYMENT (POSITIONS OFFERED AND WANTED)
     To limit traffic on the list to matters of general interest the
     announcements of positions wanted and positions offered will be
     handled off line. Simply, instead of sending them to CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
     you will send them to CHEMISTRY-REQUEST@ccl.net (or jkl@ccl.net or
     JKL@OHSTPY.BITNET). I will be collecting these announcements in
     files: positions.wanted  and  positions.offered which can be obtained
     from our archives (see Part VI. ARCHIVES). I will try to post a short
     summary of these files from time to time. Please include the
     description of position offered/wanted, degree needed/acquired, 
     salary, contact address, etc. The announcements can be any length,
     but remember that people do not read lengthily essays. When the offer
     is no longer current, please send me a request to remove it from
     the archive (to chemistry-request@ccl.net or JKL@OHSTPY.BITNET).


From sanjay@raduga.phar.umich.edu  Sun Sep 27 04:11:55 1992
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 04:11:55 GMT
From: sanjay@raduga.phar.umich.edu (sanjay Srikvike)
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: Re: discouraging commercials on the net ===> WHY???



markm@portal.vpharm.com (Mark Murcko) writes :

>The bottom line is, we need information.  Lots of it.  This news-
>group is great because it provides lots of information.  Adding
>commercial announcements, and advertising for positions, could,
>in principle, make the group even more useful to most everybody. 

Quite True. And that is why the List Coordinator has compiled all this
info into several files which could be anonymously FTPied by anyone who
wants such info. Why subject everyone to this treatment?

-Sanjay.