From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Apr 28 01:12:01 2024 From: "David Shobe shobedavid|*|gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: suggestions for density functionals for polycyclic heteroaromatic compounds Message-Id: <-55132-240428011047-30710-ReCmgWKlqEyDZ/hkqF3D2Q=-=server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David Shobe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004e347f061721287d" Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 00:10:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David Shobe [shobedavid(_)gmail.com] --0000000000004e347f061721287d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I realize that "best" density functionals is a controversial topic, but I could use some help. I want to do a DFT study of a variety of polycyclic heteroaromatic compounds with heteroatoms including B, N, O, P, and S. Mostly I am interested in relative energies of isomers, bond lengths, and electron distribution within the molecule. The last of these might be summarized by di- and quadrupole moments and/or by atomic charges (another controversial topic!). I will also want to calculate monocyclic species and carbocyclic species for comparison. There are now a bewildering number of density functionals, and I haven't really kept up. Have there been any good studies or comparisons of density functionals for heteroaromatic compounds? --David Shobe --0000000000004e347f061721287d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I realize that "best" density functionals is a c= ontroversial topic, but I could use some help.

I want to= do a DFT study of a variety of polycyclic heteroaromatic compounds with he= teroatoms including B, N, O, P, and S. Mostly I am interested in relative e= nergies of isomers, bond lengths, and electron distribution within the mole= cule. The last of these might be summarized by di- and quadrupole moments a= nd/or by atomic charges (another controversial topic!). I will also want to= calculate monocyclic species and carbocyclic species for comparison.
=

There are now a bewildering number of density functiona= ls, and I haven't really kept up. Have there been any good studies=C2= =A0or comparisons of density functionals for heteroaromatic compounds?

--David Shobe

--0000000000004e347f061721287d-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Apr 28 14:09:00 2024 From: "Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics]^[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: suggestions for density functionals for polycyclic heteroaromatic compounds Message-Id: <-55133-240428140805-9673-pgM4id4HsyIXUwXiePXvRA|a|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Robert Molt Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 14:07:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics ~ gmail.com] Have you tried reading any of the many, many review articles published by many excellent scientists? On 4/28/24 1:10 AM, David Shobe shobedavid|*|gmail.com wrote: > I realize that "best" density functionals is a controversial topic, > but I could use some help. > > I want to do a DFT study of a variety of polycyclic heteroaromatic > compounds with heteroatoms including B, N, O, P, and S. Mostly I am > interested in relative energies of isomers, bond lengths, and electron > distribution within the molecule. The last of these might be > summarized by di- and quadrupole moments and/or by atomic charges > (another controversial topic!). I will also want to calculate > monocyclic species and carbocyclic species for comparison. > > There are now a bewildering number of density functionals, and I > haven't really kept up. Have there been any good studiesĀ or > comparisons of density functionals for heteroaromatic compounds? > > --David Shobe > -- Dr. Robert Molt Jr. r.molt.chemical.physics]|[gmail.com From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Apr 28 15:50:00 2024 From: "David Shobe shobedavid[#]gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: suggestions for density functionals for polycyclic heteroaromatic compounds Message-Id: <-55134-240428153310-12388-rcGB/K9TSzoQyuuErDolJw---server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David Shobe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007dc08e06172d34f3" Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 14:32:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David Shobe [shobedavid(!)gmail.com] --0000000000007dc08e06172d34f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks for the suggestion, Robert. I have only Google Scholar at my disposal now. The many, many part seems to be my problem :-) as I have put in all the relevant keywords and still find nothing relevant on the first page. I think what I need is Boolean search capability, but Google Scholar doesn't seem to have it. --David Shobe On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 2:08 PM Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics]^[ gmail.com wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics ~ gmail.com] > Have you tried reading any of the many, many review articles published > by many excellent scientists? > > On 4/28/24 1:10 AM, David Shobe shobedavid|*|gmail.com wrote: > > I realize that "best" density functionals is a controversial topic, > > but I could use some help. > > > > I want to do a DFT study of a variety of polycyclic heteroaromatic > > compounds with heteroatoms including B, N, O, P, and S. Mostly I am > > interested in relative energies of isomers, bond lengths, and electron > > distribution within the molecule. The last of these might be > > summarized by di- and quadrupole moments and/or by atomic charges > > (another controversial topic!). I will also want to calculate > > monocyclic species and carbocyclic species for comparison. > > > > There are now a bewildering number of density functionals, and I > > haven't really kept up. Have there been any good studies or > > comparisons of density functionals for heteroaromatic compounds? > > > > --David Shobe > > > -- > Dr. Robert Molt Jr. > r.molt.chemical.physics * gmail.com> > > --0000000000007dc08e06172d34f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the suggestion, Robert. I have only Google Sch= olar at my disposal now. The many, many part seems to be my problem :-) as = I have put in all the relevant keywords and still find nothing relevant on = the first page. I think what I need is Boolean search capability, but Googl= e Scholar doesn't seem to have it.

--David Shobe=C2=A0

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 2:08 PM Robert Mol= t r.molt.chemical.physics]^[gmail.com <= owner-chemistry _ ccl.net> = wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics ~ gmail.com]
Have you tried reading any of the many, many review articles published
by many excellent scientists?

On 4/28/24 1:10 AM, David Shobe shobedavid|*|gmail.com wrote:
> I realize that "best" density functionals is a controversial= topic,
> but I could use some help.
>
> I want to do a DFT study of a variety of polycyclic heteroaromatic > compounds with heteroatoms including B, N, O, P, and S. Mostly I am > interested in relative energies of isomers, bond lengths, and electron=
> distribution within the molecule. The last of these might be
> summarized by di- and quadrupole moments and/or by atomic charges
> (another controversial topic!). I will also want to calculate
> monocyclic species and carbocyclic species for comparison.
>
> There are now a bewildering number of density functionals, and I
> haven't really kept up. Have there been any good studies=C2=A0or <= br> > comparisons of density functionals for heteroaromatic compounds?
>
> --David Shobe
>
--
Dr. Robert Molt Jr.
r.molt.chemical.physics * gmail.com



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--0000000000007dc08e06172d34f3-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Apr 28 16:25:00 2024 From: "David Shobe shobedavid/a\gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: chemical literature searching for poor, unaffiliated Message-Id: <-55135-240428155644-17876-ud/A7kwx/Esm5HvcuFBs4g ~~ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David Shobe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bf1a5c06172d8805" Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 14:56:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David Shobe [shobedavid(a)gmail.com] --000000000000bf1a5c06172d8805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As I mentioned on a different thread, I have, as far as I know, only Google Scholar for literature searching. I do not have an affiliation with an organization (such as a university) that would have an institutional subscription to something like STN or Reaxys. I don't have a lot of money either. Do I have any other options besides Google Scholar? --David Shobe --000000000000bf1a5c06172d8805 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I mentioned on a different thread, I have, as far=C2=A0= as I know, only Google Scholar for literature searching. I do not have an a= ffiliation with an organization (such as a university) that would have an i= nstitutional subscription to something like STN or Reaxys.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't have a lot of money either.=C2=A0 Do I have any other opt= ions besides Google Scholar?=C2=A0

--David Shobe

--000000000000bf1a5c06172d8805-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Apr 28 21:15:01 2024 From: "David Shobe shobedavid]=[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: chemical literature searching for poor, unaffiliated Message-Id: <-55136-240428211425-28055-lIVWctRXiBeXPKUNH1N/bw-.-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David Shobe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c24536061731f836" Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 20:14:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David Shobe [shobedavid/a\gmail.com] --000000000000c24536061731f836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Apparently I was wrong: Google Scholar does have Boolean searching, but Google doesn't want you to know about it! In fact, searching with Chrome led to a crash. (Coincidence? Who knows?) But I found information on a different browser. For the record, use & for and and | for or. I'd still like to know about alternatives though. --David Shobe On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 5:05 PM David Shobe shobedavid/agmail.com < owner-chemistry-*-ccl.net> wrote: > As I mentioned on a different thread, I have, as far as I know, only > Google Scholar for literature searching. I do not have an affiliation with > an organization (such as a university) that would have an institutional > subscription to something like STN or Reaxys. I don't have a lot of money > either. Do I have any other options besides Google Scholar? > > --David Shobe > > --000000000000c24536061731f836 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apparently I was wrong: Google Scholar does have Boolean = searching, but Google doesn't want you to know about it! In fact, searc= hing with Chrome led to a crash. (Coincidence? Who knows?) But I found info= rmation on a different browser.

For the record, use & for and and | for or.
I'd still like to know about alternatives tho= ugh.

--David Shobe=C2=A0=

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 5:05 PM David Shobe shobedavid/agmail.com <owner-chemistry-*-ccl.net> wrote:
As I mentioned on a different thread, I have, as far= =C2=A0as I know, only Google Scholar for literature searching. I do not hav= e an affiliation with an organization (such as a university) that would hav= e an institutional subscription to something like STN or Reaxys.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't have a lot of money either.=C2=A0 Do I have any other opt= ions besides Google Scholar?=C2=A0

--David Shobe

--000000000000c24536061731f836-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Apr 28 22:49:01 2024 From: "Alain Borel alain.borel=epfl.ch" To: CCL Subject: CCL: chemical literature searching for poor, unaffiliated Message-Id: <-55137-240428224105-7239-y+gCr+eSyyz9uA+o1zoVZA _ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Alain Borel Content-Language: fr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------UYoos0FFHHaZCce7DRjfzHnO" Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 04:40:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Alain Borel [alain.borel _ epfl.ch] --------------UYoos0FFHHaZCce7DRjfzHnO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 T24gNC8yOC8yNCAyMTo1NiwgRGF2aWQgU2hvYmUgc2hvYmVkYXZpZC9hZ21haWwuY29tIHdy b3RlOg0KPiBBcyBJIG1lbnRpb25lZCBvbiBhIGRpZmZlcmVudCB0aHJlYWQsIEkgaGF2ZSwg YXMgZmFywqBhcyBJIGtub3csIG9ubHkgDQo+IEdvb2dsZSBTY2hvbGFyIGZvciBsaXRlcmF0 dXJlIHNlYXJjaGluZy4gSSBkbyBub3QgaGF2ZSBhbiBhZmZpbGlhdGlvbiANCj4gd2l0aCBh biBvcmdhbml6YXRpb24gKHN1Y2ggYXMgYSB1bml2ZXJzaXR5KSB0aGF0IHdvdWxkIGhhdmUg YW4gDQo+IGluc3RpdHV0aW9uYWwgc3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uIHRvIHNvbWV0aGluZyBsaWtlIFNU TiBvciBSZWF4eXMuIMKgSSBkb24ndCANCj4gaGF2ZSBhIGxvdCBvZiBtb25leSBlaXRoZXIu wqAgRG8gSSBoYXZlIGFueSBvdGhlciBvcHRpb25zIGJlc2lkZXMgDQo+IEdvb2dsZSBTY2hv bGFyPw0KDQoNCkhlcmUncyBvbmU6DQoNCmh0dHBzOi8vb3BlbmFsZXgub3JnLw0KDQoNCkNo ZWVycywNCg0KQWxhaW4gQm9yZWwNCg0KRVBGTCBMaWJyYXJ5DQoNCmh0dHBzOi8vb3JjaWQu b3JnLzAwMDAtMDAwMy0zMjY4LTMxOTUNCg0K --------------UYoos0FFHHaZCce7DRjfzHnO Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 4/28/24 21:56, David Shobe shobedavid/agmail.com wrote:
As I mentioned on a different thread, I have, as far=C2=A0as I know, only Google Scholar for literature searching.= I do not have an affiliation with an organization (such as a university) that would have an institutional subscription to something like STN or Reaxys.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't have a lot of money either.=C2=A0 Do I have any oth= er options besides Google Scholar?=C2=A0


Here's one:

https://openalex.org/


Cheers,

Alain Borel

EPFL Library

https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3268-= 3195

--------------UYoos0FFHHaZCce7DRjfzHnO-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Apr 28 23:44:01 2024 From: "David Shobe shobedavid[A]gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: suggestions for density functionals for polycyclic heteroaromatic compounds Message-Id: <-55138-240428212510-1366-WBX6ODJ6FdvV2kI2rZthmA:-:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David Shobe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000501e830617321fbd" Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 20:24:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David Shobe [shobedavid a gmail.com] --000000000000501e830617321fbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, I misspoke. Google Scholar does have Boolean searching; they just don't advertise it. I'm down to 1180 results now (and have not restricted to the last 10 years yet). I still can't focus the search on comparisons of DFT methods versus comparisons between compounds, but it's a start. --David Shobe On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 4:24 PM David Shobe shobedavid[#]gmail.com < owner-chemistry|ccl.net> wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion, Robert. I have only Google Scholar at my > disposal now. The many, many part seems to be my problem :-) as I have put > in all the relevant keywords and still find nothing relevant on the first > page. I think what I need is Boolean search capability, but Google Scholar > doesn't seem to have it. > > --David Shobe > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 2:08 PM Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics]^[ > gmail.com wrote: > >> >> Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics ~ gmail.com] >> Have you tried reading any of the many, many review articles published >> by many excellent scientists? >> >> On 4/28/24 1:10 AM, David Shobe shobedavid|*|gmail.com wrote: >> > I realize that "best" density functionals is a controversial topic, >> > but I could use some help. >> > >> > I want to do a DFT study of a variety of polycyclic heteroaromatic >> > compounds with heteroatoms including B, N, O, P, and S. Mostly I am >> > interested in relative energies of isomers, bond lengths, and electron >> > distribution within the molecule. The last of these might be >> > summarized by di- and quadrupole moments and/or by atomic charges >> > (another controversial topic!). I will also want to calculate >> > monocyclic species and carbocyclic species for comparison. >> > >> > There are now a bewildering number of density functionals, and I >> > haven't really kept up. Have there been any good studies or >> > comparisons of density functionals for heteroaromatic compounds? >> > >> > --David Shobe >> > >> -- >> Dr. Robert Molt Jr. >> r.molt.chemical.physics * gmail.com>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY+*+ccl.net or use:>> >> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST+*+ccl.net or use>> >> >> --000000000000501e830617321fbd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I misspoke. Google Scholar does have Boolean search= ing; they just don't advertise it. I'm down to 1180 results now (an= d have not restricted to the last 10 years yet). I still can't focus th= e search on comparisons of DFT methods versus comparisons between compounds= , but it's a start.

--Davi= d Shobe=C2=A0

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 4:24 PM David Shobe shobedavid[#]<= a href=3D"http://gmail.com">gmail.com <owner-chemistry|ccl.net> wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, Robert. I ha= ve only Google Scholar at my disposal now. The many, many part seems to be = my problem :-) as I have put in all the relevant keywords and still find no= thing relevant on the first page. I think what I need is Boolean search cap= ability, but Google Scholar doesn't seem to have it.
<= br>
--David Shobe=C2=A0

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 2= :08 PM Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistr= y+*+ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics ~ gmail.c= om]
Have you tried reading any of the many, many review articles published
by many excellent scientists?

On 4/28/24 1:10 AM, David Shobe shobedavid|*|gmail.com wro= te:
> I realize that "best" density functionals is a controversial= topic,
> but I could use some help.
>
> I want to do a DFT study of a variety of polycyclic heteroaromatic > compounds with heteroatoms including B, N, O, P, and S. Mostly I am > interested in relative energies of isomers, bond lengths, and electron=
> distribution within the molecule. The last of these might be
> summarized by di- and quadrupole moments and/or by atomic charges
> (another controversial topic!). I will also want to calculate
> monocyclic species and carbocyclic species for comparison.
>
> There are now a bewildering number of density functionals, and I
> haven't really kept up. Have there been any good studies=C2=A0or <= br> > comparisons of density functionals for heteroaromatic compounds?
>
> --David Shobe
>
--
Dr. Robert Molt Jr.
r.molt.chemical.physics * gmail.com



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