From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu May 12 00:24:00 2022 From: "Mezei, Mihaly mihaly.mezei#,#mssm.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54681-220512001155-12015-YT4+PJwSGpoHRok6rEFq1Q---server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Mezei, Mihaly" Content-ID: <614DA8F76BFB35448186D7CE7C04DABD---mtsinai.onmicrosoft.com> Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 04:11:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Mezei, Mihaly" [mihaly.mezei..mssm.edu] Hello, Would using Google group require a gmail account? If yes then the non-gmail users would need one more e-mail account - a pain. Mihaly Mezei From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu May 12 00:58:01 2022 From: "Rinsha C H rinshachk()gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: No MO data on fchk file generated from ONIOM calculation Message-Id: <-54682-220512000855-11749-V3CkL/1HyMQaUzGFjmGeMQ .. server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Rinsha C H" Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 00:08:53 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Rinsha C H" [rinshachk-,-gmail.com] Hi, I am doing a 2-layer ONIOM calculation on a protein-ligand system. And I need to visualize the MOs to proceed further. Since I am not able to view the .chk file in the cluster where it is generated, I formatted it to .fchk with the command, formchk file_name.chk file_name.fchk when I tried to open this .fchk file, it shows no MO data available. So I would like to know, is there any special keyword required to generate MOs during ONIOM calculation or is there any specific option needed along with formchk while performing the conversion? Thanks in advance, Rinsha. C H rinshachk]![gmail.com TCCL NITC From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu May 12 12:25:01 2022 From: "Tatiana Korona tania##tiger.chem.uw.edu.pl" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54683-220511201303-32666-bW6JjoDBkj5OLFDO+W9qJQ[A]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Tatiana Korona Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1473576194-1491641728-1652314373=:25035" Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 02:12:53 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Tatiana Korona [tania{:}tiger.chem.uw.edu.pl] This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1473576194-1491641728-1652314373=:25035 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I can confirm that a google group works ok as a replacement of the old=20 molpro-user group. Best, Tatiana On Wed, 11 May 2022, Brian Skinn brian.skinn(~)gmail.com wrote: > For what it's worth, I believe Google Groups (at least) can be configured > by each subscriber so that all posts are delivered to their email address= es > in essentially the same way as CCL currently is. > > I'm not sure if that behavior can be set as the default, or if each > subscriber would have to apply that configuration at subscribe-time, but = I > don't recall the settings being especially hard to apply. > > > -Brian > > > On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu < > owner-chemistry^ccl.net> wrote: > >> I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with w= eb >> forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web for= mat >> does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions. >> >> However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for hi= s >> hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. >> >> - Susan >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrot= e: >> >> Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have >> experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It >> would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! >> >> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, a= nd >> perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" >> because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described= -- >> and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to >> mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, >> honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed = to >> actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email >> quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for >> some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum. >> >> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support >> group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an >> (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers wa= s >> reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. >> >> Andrew >> >> Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry >> >> Carnegie Mellon University >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com < >> owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote: >> >>> Jan, >>> >>> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, >>> but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or = some >>> of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of y= ou >>> or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankle= ss >>> task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefe= r >>> that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not o= ne >>> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer >>> assistance myself. >>> >>> Alejandro Pisanty >>> >>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com < >>> owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire >>>> forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will al= low >>>> you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.b= iz >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>>> Dear CCL Members, >>>> >>>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provi= der >>>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that >>>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >>>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead, >>>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not contro= l. >>>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>>> >>>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover, >>>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >>>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritte= n. >>>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 >>>> years ago, >>>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I >>>> cannot >>>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form= =2E >>>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possib= ly >>>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by >>>> spammers >>>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>>> >>>> Jan Labanowski >>>> CCL Manager >>>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>>> >>>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or us= e:>>> >>>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >>>> or use>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >>> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >>> +525541444475 >>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Susan R. Atlas >> Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology >> Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and >> Center for Quantum Information and Control >> MSC07 4220 >> 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu >> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 >> >> > Dr. Tatiana Korona http://tiger.chem.uw.edu.pl/staff/tania/tania.html Quantum Chemistry Laboratory, University of Warsaw, Pasteura 1, PL-02-093 W= arsaw, POLAND --1473576194-1491641728-1652314373=:25035-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu May 12 13:00:01 2022 From: "Bill Laidig wdlaidig**gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54684-220511235235-10399-jGbjy0dc6nQ7fnf+gCRD1A++server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Bill Laidig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A72A47D8-46CA-488E-86A1-8FC74C372B7F Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 23:52:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Sent to CCL by: Bill Laidig [wdlaidig]|[gmail.com] --Apple-Mail-A72A47D8-46CA-488E-86A1-8FC74C372B7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in a large google group for P&G retirees. This is how delivery works fo= r that group. I only go to Google Groups to search for past messages, etc. I= t works pretty well. Bill Sent from my iPad > On May 11, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Brian Skinn brian.skinn(~)gmail.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > For what it's worth, I believe Google Groups (at least) can be configured b= y each subscriber so that all posts are delivered to their email addresses i= n essentially the same way as CCL currently is. >=20 > I'm not sure if that behavior can be set as the default, or if each subscr= iber would have to apply that configuration at subscribe-time, but I don't r= ecall the settings being especially hard to apply. >=20 >=20 > -Brian >=20 >=20 >> On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu <= owner-chemistry^ccl.net> wrote: >> I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with we= b forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web forma= t does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions. >>=20 >> However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his= hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. =20 >>=20 >> - Susan >>=20 >>=20 >> On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote= : >>> Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have= experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It wo= uld be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! >>>=20 >>> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, a= nd perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" beca= use I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and i= t sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to mention -- p= olitely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer pe= ople are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the w= ebsite. People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it= would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the h= abit of checking a website forum. >>>=20 >>> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support= group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e= )mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was redu= ced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. >>>=20 >>> Andrew >>>=20 >>> Andrew DeYoung, PhD >>> Department of Chemistry=20 >>> Carnegie Mellon University=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <= owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote: >>>> Jan,=20 >>>>=20 >>>> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, b= ut could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some o= f your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or i= n your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankless task J= an is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to b= e a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by a= n emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself= . >>>>=20 >>>> Alejandro Pisanty >>>>=20 >>>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com wrote: >>>>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire f= orum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you= to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.b= iz wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>>>> Dear CCL Members, >>>>>=20 >>>>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provi= der >>>>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that= >>>>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >>>>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,= >>>>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not contro= l. >>>>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,= >>>>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>>>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >>>>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritte= n. >>>>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 ye= ars ago, >>>>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I ca= nnot >>>>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form= . >>>>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possib= ly >>>>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spam= mers >>>>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>>>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jan Labanowski >>>>> CCL Manager >>>>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>>>>=20 >>>>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:>>>>>=20 >>>>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>>=20 >>>>> Job: http://www.ccl.net/jobs=20 >>>>> Conferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences= / >>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>>=20>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >>>> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >>>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >>>> +525541444475 >>>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >>>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A= 106C0C8614 >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>=20 >> --=20 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Susan R. Atlas >> Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology >> Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and >> Center for Quantum Information and Control >> MSC07 4220 =20 >> 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu >> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 --Apple-Mail-A72A47D8-46CA-488E-86A1-8FC74C372B7F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in a large google group for P&G re= tirees. This is how delivery works for that group. I only go to Google Group= s to search for past messages, etc. It works pretty well.

Bill

Sent from my iPad
<= br>
On May 11, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Brian Skinn brian.= skinn(~)gmail.com <owner-chemistry.++.ccl.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
=
For what it's worth, I believe Google Groups (at leas= t) can be configured by each subscriber so that all posts are delivered to t= heir email addresses in essentially the same way as CCL currently is.

I'm not sure if that behavio= r can be set as the default, or if each subscriber would have to apply that c= onfiguration at subscribe-time, but I don't recall the settings being especi= ally hard to apply.


<= /div>
-Brian


On Wed, May 11, 2= 022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu <owner-chemistry^ccl.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.  The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive= technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. 

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
=20
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.  I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.  It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.  I'm certainly= not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.  But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.  People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

= Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon Univers= ity


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08= PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~cc= l.net> wrote:
Jan, 

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis!  It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemist= ry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



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Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, htt= p://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
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= --Apple-Mail-A72A47D8-46CA-488E-86A1-8FC74C372B7F-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu May 12 13:35:01 2022 From: "Brian Skinn brian.skinn=-=gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54685-220512073228-30688-LYchV2S8oOHJJUMg3bIvPA-#-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Brian Skinn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002b301505decee942" Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 07:32:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Brian Skinn [brian.skinn]^[gmail.com] --0000000000002b301505decee942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In order to receive messages as emails, each person would have to join the Google Group, which does require a Google account. *NOTE*, though, that you can create a Google account for a third-party email address, *without* creating a new Gmail account. The Google account for this third-party email would be a new login and password, but it would NOT be a new inbox to check/manage. The messages would be delivered to that third-party email. I know this confidently, because I had to do it myself, to get access to a certain set of shared folders on Google Drive. The group visibility can be set to mimic CCL as it is now: - Group existence public - Only administrator(s) can view member list - List posts public on the web - Anyone can post, member or not - Anyone can request to join the list -Brian On Thu, May 12, 2022, 01:02 Mezei, Mihaly mihaly.mezei#,#mssm.edu < owner-chemistry|*|ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Mezei, Mihaly" [mihaly.mezei..mssm.edu] > Hello, > > Would using Google group require a gmail account? If yes then the > non-gmail users would need one more e-mail account - a pain. > > Mihaly Mezei> > > --0000000000002b301505decee942 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In order to receive messages as emails, each person would= have to join the Google Group, which does require a Google account.

*NOTE*, though, that you can create = a Google account for a third-party email address, *without* creating a new = Gmail account. The Google account for this third-party email would be a new= login and password, but it would NOT be a new inbox to check/manage. The m= essages would be delivered to that third-party email.

I know this confidently, because I had to do = it myself, to get access to a certain set of shared folders on Google Drive= .

The group visibility c= an be set to mimic CCL as it is now:

- Group existence public
- Only adminis= trator(s) can view member list
- List posts public o= n the web
- Anyone can post, member or not
- Anyone can request to join the list
=

-Brian



On Thu, May 12, 2022, 01:0= 2 Mezei, Mihaly mihaly.mezei#,#mssm.edu <= ;owner-chemistry|*|ccl.net>= wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Mezei, Mihaly" [mihaly.mezei..mssm.edu]
Hello,

Would using Google group require a gmail account? If yes then the non-gmail= users would need one more e-mail account - a pain.

Mihaly Mezei



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