From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 07:46:00 2022 From: "Luca Frediani luca.frediani_+_uit.no" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54671-220511032004-1159-rUz/hNIDMLPB9Cr1W0poBg#,#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Luca Frediani Content-Language: nb-NO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------UhNeJaIsA1n07r67fGC6rqUO" Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 09:19:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Luca Frediani [luca.frediani_+_uit.no] --------------UhNeJaIsA1n07r67fGC6rqUO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. It was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, foruns, maling lists.... At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K website, if that is possible. Luca On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu wrote: > I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with > web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.  The > web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical > interactions. > > However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for > his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. > > - Susan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote: >> Jan is definitely in a thankless position.  I am sad to say I don't >> have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I >> did.  It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! >> >> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary >> someday, and perhaps someday soon.  I'm certainly not in a position >> to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes >> that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult >> situation. But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside >> to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to >> read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.  >> People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it >> would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in >> the habit of checking a website forum. >> >> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the >> support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes >> moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of >> questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because >> fewer people are checking it. >> >> Andrew >> >> Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry >> >> Carnegie Mellon University >> >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty >> apisanty]^[gmail.com wrote: >> >> Jan, >> >> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this >> myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of >> yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with >> appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does what >> Jan needs on a daily basis!  It's a thankless task Jan is facing. >> Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a >> planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one >> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to >> offer assistance myself. >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com >> wrote: >> >> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the >> entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up >> methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud >> in the meantime? David >> >> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski >> jkl^wowway.biz > > wrote: >> >> >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz >> ] >> Dear CCL Members, >> >> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business >> internet provider >> outsourced its business services to another company. The >> issue is that >> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP >> addresses. >> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. >> Instead, >> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do >> not control. >> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >> >> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. >> Moreover, >> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not >> sure >> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP >> addresses. >> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely >> rewritten. >> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was >> over 10 years ago, >> so it will be a learning process for me after all these >> years. If I cannot >> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the >> current form. >> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only >> and possibly >> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large >> part by spammers >> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and >> experiments. >> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >> >> Jan Labanowski >> CCL Manager >> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >> >> >> >> >> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can >> also >> >> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net >> or use:>> >> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >> or use>> Conferences: >> http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ >> >> Search Messages: >> http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/searchccl/index.shtml>> >> >> >> >> -- >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> Facultad de Química UNAM >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> +525541444475 >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Susan R. 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CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. It was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, foruns, maling lists....
At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K website, if that is possible.

Luca


On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu wrote:
I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.  The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. 

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.  I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.  It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.  I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.  But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.  People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon University


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, 

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis!  It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
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--------------UhNeJaIsA1n07r67fGC6rqUO-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 09:39:01 2022 From: "Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni]=[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54672-220511092643-31765-JMVv0gebHcUtNTeywpTdcQ/a\server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Gabriele Mogni Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000025c205debc6418" Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:26:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Gabriele Mogni [gabriele.mogni%x%gmail.com] --0000000000000025c205debc6418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive. I don't manage any mailing lists, however I propose to implement maybe a more modern solution which supports mediatic material, user comments etc..., such as creating a dedicated group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can also use my existing specialized LinkedIn groups which you can find at the top of my website: www.qscomputing.com Let me know your thoughts, Gabriele Mogni On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca.frediani_+_uit.no < owner-chemistry]^[ccl.net> wrote: > CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. I= t > was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, foruns= , > maling lists.... > At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its > current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K > website, if that is possible. > > Luca > > > On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu wrote: > > I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with we= b > forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web form= at > does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions. > > However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his > hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. > > - Susan > > ------------------------------ > > On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote= : > > Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have > experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It > would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! > > I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, an= d > perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" > because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described = -- > and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to > mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, > honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed t= o > actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email > quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for > some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum. > > This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support > group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an > (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was > reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. > > Andrew > > Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry > > Carnegie Mellon University > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com < > owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, >> but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or s= ome >> of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of yo= u >> or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankles= s >> task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer >> that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not on= e >> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer >> assistance myself. >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com < >> owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: >> >>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire >>> forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will all= ow >>> you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>> >>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.bi= z >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>> Dear CCL Members, >>> >>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provid= er >>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that >>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead, >>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control= . >>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>> >>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover, >>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten= . >>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 >>> years ago, >>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I >>> cannot >>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form. >>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibl= y >>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by >>> spammers >>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>> >>> Jan Labanowski >>> CCL Manager >>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>> >>> >>> >>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>> >>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use= :>>> >>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >>> or use>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> +525541444475 >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Susan R. Atlas > Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology > Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and > Center for Quantum Information and Control > MSC07 4220 > 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu > Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 > > > --0000000000000025c205debc6418 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive. I don&= #39;t manage any mailing lists, however I propose to implement maybe a more= modern solution which supports mediatic material, user comments etc..., su= ch as creating a dedicated group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can also use= my existing specialized LinkedIn groups which you can find at the top of m= y website:


Let me know your thou= ghts,

Gabriele Mogni

On Wed, 11 May 2022 = at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca.frediani_+_uit.no <owner-chemistry]^[ccl.net> wrote:
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=20 I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.=C2=A0 The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years.=C2=A0

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.=C2=A0 I am sad = to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.=C2=A0 It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.=C2=A0 I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I= 'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.=C2=A0 But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.=C2=A0 People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon Un= iversity


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan,=C2=A0

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does=C2=A0what Jan needs on= a daily basis!=C2=A0 It's a thankless task Jan is facin= g. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 a= t 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" ar= e my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud".= And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



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Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedi= n.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
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--0000000000000025c205debc6418-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 14:06:00 2022 From: "David Shobe shobedavid-x-gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54673-220511112753-7578-LrJpjXzhbOxTBQ/9U4Qwug .. server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David Shobe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000060516405debe15d3" Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 10:27:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David Shobe [shobedavid%a%gmail.com] --00000000000060516405debe15d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will the LinkedIn group send an alert when there is a new message? I currently check my LinkedIn account only once or twice a week. On Wed, May 11, 2022, 10:09 AM Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni]=3D[gmail.com = < owner-chemistry#%#ccl.net> wrote: > I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive. I don't manage any mailing > lists, however I propose to implement maybe a more modern solution which > supports mediatic material, user comments etc..., such as creating a > dedicated group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can also use my existing > specialized LinkedIn groups which you can find at the top of my website: > > www.qscomputing.com > > Let me know your thoughts, > > Gabriele Mogni > > On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca.frediani_+_uit.no < > owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: > >> CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. >> It was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, >> foruns, maling lists.... >> At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its >> current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K >> website, if that is possible. >> >> Luca >> >> >> On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu wrote: >> >> I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with >> web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web >> format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactio= ns. >> >> However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for hi= s >> hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. >> >> - Susan >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have >> experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It >> would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! >> >> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, >> and perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" >> because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described= -- >> and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to >> mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, >> honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed = to >> actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email >> quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for >> some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum. >> >> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support >> group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an >> (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers wa= s >> reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. >> >> Andrew >> >> Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry >> >> Carnegie Mellon University >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com < >> owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote: >> >>> Jan, >>> >>> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, >>> but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or = some >>> of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of y= ou >>> or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankle= ss >>> task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefe= r >>> that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not o= ne >>> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer >>> assistance myself. >>> >>> Alejandro Pisanty >>> >>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com < >>> owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire >>>> forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will al= low >>>> you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^ >>>> wowway.biz wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>>> Dear CCL Members, >>>> >>>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet >>>> provider >>>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that >>>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >>>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead, >>>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not contro= l. >>>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>>> >>>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover, >>>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >>>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritte= n. >>>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 >>>> years ago, >>>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I >>>> cannot >>>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form= . >>>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possib= ly >>>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by >>>> spammers >>>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>>> >>>> Jan Labanowski >>>> CCL Manager >>>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>>> >>>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or >>>> use:>>>> >>>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >>>> or use>>>> Conferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences= />>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >>> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >>> +525541444475 >>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Susan R. Atlas >> Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology >> Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and >> Center for Quantum Information and Control >> MSC07 4220 >> 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu >> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 >> >> >> --00000000000060516405debe15d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will the LinkedIn group send an alert when there is a new= message? I currently check my LinkedIn account only once or twice a week.<= /div>
O= n Wed, May 11, 2022, 10:09 AM Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni]=3D[gmail.com <owner-chemistry#%#ccl.net> wrote:
I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive= . I don't manage any mailing lists, however I propose to implement mayb= e a more modern solution which supports mediatic material, user comments et= c..., such as creating a dedicated group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can = also use my existing specialized LinkedIn groups which you can find at the = top of my website:

www.qscomputing.com

Let me know your thoughts,

Gabriele Mogni

On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca.f= rediani_+_ui= t.no <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
=20
CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. It was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, foruns, maling lists....
At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K website, if that is possible.

Luca


On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu wrote:
=20 I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.=C2=A0 The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years.=C2=A0

- Susan
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.=C2=A0 I am sad = to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.=C2=A0 It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.=C2=A0 I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I= 'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.=C2=A0 But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.=C2=A0 People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon Un= iversity


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan,=C2=A0

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does=C2=A0what Jan needs on= a daily basis!=C2=A0 It's a thankless task Jan is facin= g. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 a= t 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-ch= emistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" ar= e my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud".= And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also

E-mail to subscribers: CHEMIS= TRY a ccl.net or use:

E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use


Before posting, check wait time at: http://www.ccl.net

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Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2= =A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0.

--=20
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 Susan R. Atlas
 Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology
 Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and
    Center for Quantum Information and Control
 MSC07 4220                      =20
 1 University of New Mexico       e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu
 Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001

--00000000000060516405debe15d3-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 15:27:00 2022 From: "Jan Labanowski jkl * wowway.biz" To: CCL Subject: CCL: CCL Status report Message-Id: <-54674-220511152526-21665-3hQ1sqbLGWEkS64JajNzDQ(a)server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jan Labanowski" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:25:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl^^^wowway.biz] Dear CCL Members, Thank you for your suggestions and opinions. I still have about a week to move CCL to new IP Addresses. I just had a technician from another network provider. They offered the small subnet of 8 static IPs (that is 5 usable IP addresses). I am testing it now. My priority is to chose between current provider and a new provider and to serve the CCL exactly as it is now (after reconfiguring ifcfg-eth0, resolv.conf, /etc/sysconfig/network, DNSes, backup and firewall). But this is a short term solution. Within a month or two, I want to move the web portion to the cloud and study the options for email. This requires some research on my part and exploring the options, creating a prototype and of course, the testing. Some already noticed the difference between email list+web portal, from the web-portal only solution. The email list makes us an active community, while the web portal will be the blog, that is, it will be visited by people who remember about its existence or when they need it. So I am watching and learning from your suggestions. I also may combine the CCL with the portal of my friend who manages the Materials Science/Atomic Scale Design educational portal -- this way, when I die or Alzheimer gets me out of active live, there will be someone, who may carry on or at least preserve the CCL Archives. So keep sending me your opinions and suggestions and I will read them. Thank you for your patience... Jan --- Jan Labanowski CCL Manager jkl__wowway.biz , ccl__ccl.net From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 16:02:01 2022 From: "=?UTF-8?B?0KTQuNC70LjQv9C/0L7Qsiwg0JjQs9C+0YDRjCDQktC70LDQtNC40LzQuNGA0L7QstC40Yc=?= filippov.iv ~~ phystech.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54675-220511153328-25014-d3nIV0Yg22fYFJjKtrB6kw[a]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: =?UTF-8?B?0KTQuNC70LjQv9C/0L7Qsiwg0JjQs9C+0YDRjCDQktC70LDQtNC40LzQuNGA0L7QstC40Yc=?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008080bc05dec18301" Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 15:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: =?UTF-8?B?0KTQuNC70LjQv9C/0L7Qsiwg0JjQs9C+0YDRjCDQktC70LDQtNC40LzQuNGA0L7QstC40Yc=?= [filippov.iv(~)phystech.edu] --0000000000008080bc05dec18301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have a LinkedIn account at all and no desire to create one. It should be possible to set up NAT which has a single outward facing ip address and forward the requests to corresponding servers on LAN with private ips. I would use dd-wrt for the front facing router. I think this is a fairly common set up and there should be tutorials how to configure a dns server, mail, and web servers for such circumstances. I have not touched something like this in years but this should be doable. Igor On Wed, May 11, 2022, 3:13 PM David Shobe shobedavid-x-gmail.com < owner-chemistry .. ccl.net> wrote: > Will the LinkedIn group send an alert when there is a new message? I > currently check my LinkedIn account only once or twice a week. > > On Wed, May 11, 2022, 10:09 AM Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni]=3D[gmail.co= m ~ ccl.net> wrote: > >> I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive. I don't manage any mailin= g >> lists, however I propose to implement maybe a more modern solution which >> supports mediatic material, user comments etc..., such as creating a >> dedicated group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can also use my existing >> specialized LinkedIn groups which you can find at the top of my website: >> >> www.qscomputing.com >> >> Let me know your thoughts, >> >> Gabriele Mogni >> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca.frediani_+_uit.no < >> owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: >> >>> CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. >>> It was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, >>> foruns, maling lists.... >>> At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its >>> current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K >>> website, if that is possible. >>> >>> Luca >>> >>> >>> On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu wrote: >>> >>> I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with >>> web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The we= b >>> format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interacti= ons. >>> >>> However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for >>> his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. >>> >>> - Susan >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't hav= e >>> experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. I= t >>> would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! >>> >>> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, >>> and perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky= " >>> because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan describe= d -- >>> and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to >>> mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, >>> honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed= to >>> actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email >>> quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, fo= r >>> some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum. >>> >>> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the suppor= t >>> group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from a= n >>> (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers w= as >>> reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry >>> >>> Carnegie Mellon University >>> >>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com = < >>> owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Jan, >>>> >>>> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, >>>> but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or= some >>>> of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of = you >>>> or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankl= ess >>>> task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would pref= er >>>> that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not = one >>>> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer >>>> assistance myself. >>>> >>>> Alejandro Pisanty >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com < >>>> owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire >>>>> forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will a= llow >>>>> you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^ >>>>> wowway.biz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>>>> Dear CCL Members, >>>>> >>>>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet >>>>> provider >>>>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is tha= t >>>>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >>>>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead= , >>>>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not >>>>> control. >>>>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>>>> >>>>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover= , >>>>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>>>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >>>>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely >>>>> rewritten. >>>>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 >>>>> years ago, >>>>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I >>>>> cannot >>>>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current for= m. >>>>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and >>>>> possibly >>>>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by >>>>> spammers >>>>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>>>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>>>> >>>>> Jan Labanowski >>>>> CCL Manager >>>>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>>>> >>>>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or >>>>> use:>>>>> >>>>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >>>>> or use>>>>> Conferences: >>>>> http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >>>> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >>>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >>>> +525541444475 >>>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >>>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Susan R. Atlas >>> Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology >>> Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and >>> Center for Quantum Information and Control >>> MSC07 4220 >>> 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu >>> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 >>> >>> >>> --0000000000008080bc05dec18301 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't have a LinkedIn account at all and no desire = to create one. It should be possible to set up NAT which has a single outwa= rd facing ip address and forward the requests to corresponding servers on L= AN with private ips. I would use dd-wrt for the front facing router. I thin= k this is a fairly common set up and there should be tutorials how to confi= gure a dns server, mail, and web servers for such circumstances.=C2=A0 I ha= ve not touched something like this in years but this should be doable.

Igor

On Wed, May 11, 2022, 3:= 13 PM David Shobe shobedavid-x-gm= ail.com <owner-chemistry .. = ccl.net> wrote:
Will the LinkedIn group send an alert when there is a new message? I = currently check my LinkedIn account only once or twice a week.

On Wed, May 1= 1, 2022, 10:09 AM Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni]=3D[gmail.com <owner-c= hemistry ~ ccl.net> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive. I don&#= 39;t manage any mailing lists, however I propose to implement maybe a more = modern solution which supports mediatic material, user comments etc..., suc= h as creating a dedicated group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can also use = my existing specialized LinkedIn groups which you can find at the top of my= website:


Let me know your thoughts,

Gabriele Mogni

On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca= .frediani_+_uit.no <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net&= gt; wrote:
=20
CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. It was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, foruns, maling lists....
At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K website, if that is possible.

Luca


On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phy= s.unm.edu wrote:
=20 I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.=C2=A0 The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years.=C2=A0

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.=C2=A0 I am sad = to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.=C2=A0 It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.=C2=A0 I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I= 'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.=C2=A0 But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.=C2=A0 People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon Un= iversity


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan,=C2=A0

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does=C2=A0what Jan needs on= a daily basis!=C2=A0 It's a thankless task Jan is facin= g. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 a= t 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz= ]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" ar= e my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud".= And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also

E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:

E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use


Before posting, check wait time at: http://www.ccl.net



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt





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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM
Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/i= n/pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.= org
. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2= =A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0.

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 Susan R. Atlas
 Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology
 Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and
    Center for Quantum Information and Control
 MSC07 4220                      =20
 1 University of New Mexico       e: susie#sapphire.phy=
s.unm.edu
 Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001

--0000000000008080bc05dec18301-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 16:38:01 2022 From: "Brian Skinn brian.skinn(~)gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54676-220511163028-11629-ZJlsyfeNbMsydqnUonUZig^^server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Brian Skinn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000060b9ad05dec24f28" Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:30:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Brian Skinn [brian.skinn##gmail.com] --00000000000060b9ad05dec24f28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For what it's worth, I believe Google Groups (at least) can be configured by each subscriber so that all posts are delivered to their email addresses in essentially the same way as CCL currently is. I'm not sure if that behavior can be set as the default, or if each subscriber would have to apply that configuration at subscribe-time, but I don't recall the settings being especially hard to apply. -Brian On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu < owner-chemistry.^^.ccl.net> wrote: > I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with we= b > forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web form= at > does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions. > > However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his > hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. > > - Susan > > ------------------------------ > > On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote= : > > Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have > experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It > would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! > > I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, an= d > perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" > because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described = -- > and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to > mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, > honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed t= o > actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email > quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for > some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum. > > This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support > group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an > (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was > reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. > > Andrew > > Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry > > Carnegie Mellon University > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com < > owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, >> but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or s= ome >> of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of yo= u >> or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankles= s >> task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer >> that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not on= e >> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer >> assistance myself. >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com < >> owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: >> >>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire >>> forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will all= ow >>> you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>> >>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.bi= z >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>> Dear CCL Members, >>> >>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provid= er >>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that >>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead, >>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control= . >>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>> >>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover, >>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten= . >>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 >>> years ago, >>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I >>> cannot >>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form. >>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibl= y >>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by >>> spammers >>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>> >>> Jan Labanowski >>> CCL Manager >>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>> >>> >>> >>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>> >>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use= :>>> >>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >>> or use>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> +525541444475 >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Susan R. Atlas > Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology > Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and > Center for Quantum Information and Control > MSC07 4220 > 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu > Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 > > --00000000000060b9ad05dec24f28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For what=C2=A0it's worth, I believe = Google Groups (at least) can be configured by each subscriber so that all p= osts are delivered to their email addresses in essentially=C2=A0the same wa= y as CCL currently is.

I&#= 39;m not sure if that behavior can be set as the default, or if each subscr= iber would have to apply that configuration at subscribe-time, but I don= 9;t recall the settings being especially hard to apply.


-Brian


On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.e= du <own= er-chemistry.^^.ccl.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.=C2=A0 The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantiv= e technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years.=C2=A0

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
=20
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.=C2=A0 I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.=C2=A0 It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.=C2=A0 I'm cert= ainly not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not a= ble to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.=C2=A0 But I'd like t= o mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.=C2=A0 People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

<= span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon Univ= ersity


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:0= 8 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~= ~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan,=C2=A0

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does=C2=A0what Jan needs on a daily basis!=C2=A0 It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chem= istry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanows= ki" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are = my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud". A= nd the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also

E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:

E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use


Before posting, check wait time at: http://www.ccl.net



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://= www.ccl.net/spammers.txt





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- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM
Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty=
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, h= ttp://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0.= =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0.

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 Susan R. Atlas
 Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology
 Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and
    Center for Quantum Information and Control
 MSC07 4220                      =20
 1 University of New Mexico       e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu
 Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001
--00000000000060b9ad05dec24f28-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 17:41:00 2022 From: "Marcel Swart marcel.swart]|[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54677-220511163705-15856-2A+AjhB2ZhHaDbISvgXkYQ#%#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Marcel Swart Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F0CF50CA-DC47-4248-9F14-0D73D874D8AF Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 22:36:56 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Sent to CCL by: Marcel Swart [marcel.swart|-|gmail.com] --Apple-Mail-F0CF50CA-DC47-4248-9F14-0D73D874D8AF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would say: keep faith in Jan, so far he=E2=80=99s done a great job! And if needed I would switch to stack exchange, e.g. following the example o= f matter modeling and others: https://mattermodeling.stackexchange.com/ Marcel Swart FRSC FYAE MAE, Prof. Dr. ICREA Research Professor at University of Girona Director of Institut de Qu=C3=ADmica Computacional i Cat=C3=A0lisi Univ. Girona, Campus Montilivi (Ci=C3=A8ncies) c/ Maria Aur=C3=A8lia Capmany i Farn=C3=A9s, 69 17003 Girona, Spain www.marcelswart.eu marcel.swart(_)gmail.com vCard addressbook://www.marcelswart.eu/MSwart.vcf > On 11 May 2022, at 22:21, David Shobe shobedavid-x-gmail.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Will the LinkedIn group send an alert when there is a new message? I curre= ntly check my LinkedIn account only once or twice a week. >=20 >> On Wed, May 11, 2022, 10:09 AM Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni]=3D[gmail.co= m wrote: >> I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive. I don't manage any mailing= lists, however I propose to implement maybe a more modern solution which su= pports mediatic material, user comments etc..., such as creating a dedicated= group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can also use my existing specialized Li= nkedIn groups which you can find at the top of my website: >>=20 >> www.qscomputing.com=20 >>=20 >> Let me know your thoughts, >>=20 >> Gabriele Mogni >>=20 >>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca.frediani_+_uit.no wrote: >>> CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. I= t was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, foruns,= maling lists.... >>> At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its cu= rrent form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K website,= if that is possible. >>>=20 >>> Luca >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu wrote: >>>> I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with w= eb forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web form= at does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions. >>>>=20 >>>> However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for h= is hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. =20 >>>>=20 >>>> - Susan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wro= te: >>>>> Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't ha= ve experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It w= ould be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! >>>>>=20 >>>>> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday,= and perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" be= cause I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- an= d it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to mention -= - politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer= people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit t= he website. People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, bu= t it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in t= he habit of checking a website forum. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the suppo= rt group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (= e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was red= uced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Andrew >>>>>=20 >>>>> Andrew DeYoung, PhD >>>>> Department of Chemistry=20 >>>>> Carnegie Mellon University=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com= wrote: >>>>>> Jan,=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself= , but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or som= e of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you o= r in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankless tas= k Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that t= o be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced b= y an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance mys= elf. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Alejandro Pisanty >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com wrote: >>>>>>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire= forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow y= ou to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway= .biz wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>>>>>> Dear CCL Members, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet pro= vider >>>>>>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is th= at >>>>>>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.= >>>>>>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instea= d, >>>>>>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not cont= rol. >>>>>>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreove= r, >>>>>>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>>>>>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.= >>>>>>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewrit= ten. >>>>>>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 y= ears ago, >>>>>>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I c= annot >>>>>>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current fo= rm. >>>>>>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and poss= ibly >>>>>>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by sp= ammers >>>>>>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>>>>>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Jan Labanowski >>>>>>> CCL Manager >>>>>>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Job: http://www.ccl.net/jobs=20 >>>>>>> Conferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferenc= es/ >>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> --=20 >>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >>>>>> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >>>>>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >>>>>> +525541444475 >>>>>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >>>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >>>>>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/= 4A106C0C8614 >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >>>>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >>>>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Susan R. Atlas >>>> Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology >>>> Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and >>>> Center for Quantum Information and Control >>>> MSC07 4220 =20 >>>> 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu >>>> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 >>>=20 --Apple-Mail-F0CF50CA-DC47-4248-9F14-0D73D874D8AF Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would say: keep faith in Jan, so far he=E2= =80=99s done a great job!

And if needed I would switch to= stack exchange, e.g. following the example of matter modeling and others:
https://matte= rmodeling.stackexchange.com/


Marcel Swart FRSC = FYAE MAE, Prof. Dr.
ICREA Research= Professor at University of Girona
Director of Institut de Qu=C3=ADmica Computacional i Cat=C3=A0lisi

Univ. Girona, Campus Montilivi (Ci=C3=A8ncies)
c/ Maria Aur=C3=A8lia Capmany i Farn=C3=A9= s, 69
= 17003 Girona, Spain
<= div class=3D"" style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-positio= n: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; fo= nt-variant-east-asian: normal; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: spa= ce; line-break: after-white-space;">
www.marcelswart= .eu
marcel.swart(_)gmail.com

addressbook://www.marcelswart.eu/MS= wart.vcf


On 11 May 2022, at 22:21, D= avid Shobe shobedavid-x-gmail.com <owner-chemistry(_)ccl.net> wrote:
=
=EF=BB=BF<= div dir=3D"auto">Will the LinkedIn group send an alert when there is a new m= essage? I currently check my LinkedIn account only once or twice a week.
On We= d, May 11, 2022, 10:09 AM Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni]=3D[gmail.com <= owner-chemistry ~ ccl.net> wrote:
I am happy to help in order to keep CCL alive. I d= on't manage any mailing lists, however I propose to implement maybe a more m= odern solution which supports mediatic material, user comments etc..., such a= s creating a dedicated group on LinkedIn. If you want, you can also use my e= xisting specialized LinkedIn groups which you can find at the top of my webs= ite:


Let me know your thoughts,

Gabriele Mogni
=

On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 15:18, Luca Frediani luca.frediani_+_uit.no <owne= r-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
=20
CCL is a very nice initiative and I think it would be sad to see it go. It was definitely a precursor of what has followed in terms of blogs, foruns, maling lists....
At the same time I wonder how many are still using it actively in its current form. I'd rather see it evolve in a form similar to the Psi-K website, if that is possible.

Luca


On 11/05/2022 02:40, Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu= wrote:
=20 I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.  The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. 

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.  I am sad t= o say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.  It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.  I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.  But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.  People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

= Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon Unive= rsity


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, 

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does what Jan needs on a= daily basis!  It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at= 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemi= stry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
=
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also

E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:

E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use


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Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty=
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, h= ttp://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
.  .  .  .  .  .  .  = .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .

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 Susan R. Atlas
 Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology
 Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and
    Center for Quantum Information and Control
 MSC07 4220                      =20
 1 University of New Mexico       e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu=

 Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001

= --Apple-Mail-F0CF50CA-DC47-4248-9F14-0D73D874D8AF-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 18:52:01 2022 From: "Igor Tetko itetko[A]vcclab.org" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: AIDD Spring School - Advanced Machine Learning for Drug Discovery Message-Id: <-54678-220511180904-20450-bOdONDnwTy8qbKweh3W/sg[#]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Igor Tetko" Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 18:09:02 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Igor Tetko" [itetko|-|vcclab.org] Lectures are streamed online. Lectures for the next days are: Thursday, May 12 Geometric Deep Learning Silvio Giancola Artificial intelligence and chemical space Jean-Louis Reymond Comparing and clustering synthetic route prediction Samuel Genheden Explainable AI: Interpreting, explaining and visualizing deep learning Alessandro Antonucci, Alessandro Facchini Friday, May 13 Can we learn chemical and energetic properties from molecular simulations? Vittorio Limongelli Integrative structural biology and to study the structure and dynamics of biomolecular complexes and in structure-based drug discovery Michael Sattler AI Formula Generator (Swiss Digital Innovation of the Year 2021 award) Guillaume Godin Conformal Prediction for the Design Problem Clara Wong-Fannjiang (Zoom) Monday, May 16 Gaussian processes and sequential design of experiments Dario Azzimonti The Bayesian approach: models and inference Adam Arany Cell Painting assay: data analysis, reporting and applications Axel Pahl Overview of toxicity prediction methods Emilio Benfenati Tuesday, May 17 Presentation of the H2020 MSCA-RISE project "VIRTUOUS" Dario Piga and Gianvito Grasso Challenges in ML 3 short talks and brainstorming The program is available at: https://www.idsia.ch/idsia_en/highlights/events/2022/2022-05-7.html or https://ai-dd.eu/news See overview of previous lectures at: https://twitter.com/AiddOne Dr. Igor V. Tetko Group leader Helmholtz Munich http://ai-dd.eu http://ochem.eu From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 19:27:01 2022 From: "Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni(~)gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54679-220511182901-31153-F3WyrBx0GMmO8fU6dcAyFg++server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Gabriele Mogni Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005d4aa405dec3f781" Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 00:28:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Gabriele Mogni [gabriele.mogni*gmail.com] --0000000000005d4aa405dec3f781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following links can hopefully provide an overview on how group notifications can be customized on LinkedIn, as well as how to receive such notifications directly to your email: https://www.linkedin.com/help/linkedin/answer/a551432 https://www.linkedin.com/help/linkedin/answer/a517979/manage-emails-from-li= nkedin?lang=3Den Let me know your thoughts, Gabriele Mogni On Thu, 12 May 2022, 00:17 Brian Skinn brian.skinn(~)gmail.com, < owner-chemistry{}ccl.net> wrote: > For what it's worth, I believe Google Groups (at least) can be configured > by each subscriber so that all posts are delivered to their email address= es > in essentially the same way as CCL currently is. > > I'm not sure if that behavior can be set as the default, or if each > subscriber would have to apply that configuration at subscribe-time, but = I > don't recall the settings being especially hard to apply. > > > -Brian > > > On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu < > owner-chemistry^ccl.net> wrote: > >> I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with >> web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web >> format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactio= ns. >> >> However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for hi= s >> hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. >> >> - Susan >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have >> experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It >> would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! >> >> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, >> and perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" >> because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described= -- >> and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to >> mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, >> honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed = to >> actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email >> quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for >> some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum. >> >> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support >> group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an >> (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers wa= s >> reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. >> >> Andrew >> >> Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry >> >> Carnegie Mellon University >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com < >> owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote: >> >>> Jan, >>> >>> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, >>> but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or = some >>> of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of y= ou >>> or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankle= ss >>> task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefe= r >>> that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not o= ne >>> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer >>> assistance myself. >>> >>> Alejandro Pisanty >>> >>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com < >>> owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire >>>> forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will al= low >>>> you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^ >>>> wowway.biz wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >>>> Dear CCL Members, >>>> >>>> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet >>>> provider >>>> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that >>>> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >>>> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead, >>>> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not contro= l. >>>> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >>>> >>>> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover, >>>> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >>>> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >>>> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritte= n. >>>> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 >>>> years ago, >>>> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I >>>> cannot >>>> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form= . >>>> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possib= ly >>>> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by >>>> spammers >>>> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >>>> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >>>> >>>> Jan Labanowski >>>> CCL Manager >>>> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also >>>> >>>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or >>>> use:>>>> >>>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >>>> or use>>>> Conferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences= />>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >>> Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM >>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >>> +525541444475 >>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >>> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Susan R. Atlas >> Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology >> Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and >> Center for Quantum Information and Control >> MSC07 4220 >> 1 University of New Mexico e: susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu >> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 >> >> --0000000000005d4aa405dec3f781 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The following links can hopefully provide an overview on = how group notifications can be customized on LinkedIn, as well as how to re= ceive such=C2=A0notifications directly to your email:=C2=A0




Let me know your=C2=A0thoughts,= =C2=A0

Gabriele Mogni=C2= =A0



=
On Thu, 12= May 2022, 00:17 Brian Skinn brian.skinn(~)gma= il.com, <owner-chemistry{}= ccl.net> wrote:
For what=C2=A0it's worth, I believe Google Group= s (at least) can be configured by each subscriber so that all posts are del= ivered to their email addresses in essentially=C2=A0the same way as CCL cur= rently is.

I'm not sur= e if that behavior can be set as the default, or if each subscriber would h= ave to apply that configuration at subscribe-time, but I don't recall t= he settings being especially hard to apply.


-Brian


On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phy= s.unm.edu <owner-chemistry^ccl.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.=C2=A0 The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantiv= e technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years.=C2=A0

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
=20
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.=C2=A0 I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.=C2=A0 It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.=C2=A0 I'm cert= ainly not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not a= ble to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.=C2=A0 But I'd like t= o mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.=C2=A0 People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

<= span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon Univ= ersity


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:0= 8 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan,=C2=A0

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does=C2=A0what Jan needs on a daily basis!=C2=A0 It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanows= ki" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are = my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud". A= nd the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also

E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:

E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use


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Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/= pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.or= g
. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0.= =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0.

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 Susan R. Atlas
 Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology
 Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and
    Center for Quantum Information and Control
 MSC07 4220                      =20
 1 University of New Mexico       e: susie#sapphire.phy=
s.unm.edu
 Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001
--0000000000005d4aa405dec3f781-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 11 21:32:01 2022 From: "Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics[]gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54680-220511212345-30062-AeO2vSr+ub3ceDB5iqCc2Q:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Robert Molt Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------L5wGxYYppbMWTi0Mznt0ny7r" Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 21:23:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics(~)gmail.com] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------L5wGxYYppbMWTi0Mznt0ny7r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If CCL moves to a LinkedIn-basis for communications, I personally will unsubscribe. LinkedIn is the MySpace of communication; it is dense with random communications about nothing from strangers and bots. I very much support that we use a Google groups format, much as the GAMESS community does. On 5/11/22 6:28 PM, Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni(~)gmail.com wrote: > The following links can hopefully provide an overview on how group > notifications can be customized on LinkedIn, as well as how to receive > such notifications directly to your email: > > https://www.linkedin.com/help/linkedin/answer/a551432 > > https://www.linkedin.com/help/linkedin/answer/a517979/manage-emails-from-linkedin?lang=en > > > Let me know your thoughts, > > Gabriele Mogni > > > > On Thu, 12 May 2022, 00:17 Brian Skinn brian.skinn(~)gmail.com > , wrote: > > For what it's worth, I believe Google Groups (at least) can be > configured by each subscriber so that all posts are delivered to > their email addresses in essentially the same way as CCL currently is. > > I'm not sure if that behavior can be set as the default, or if > each subscriber would have to apply that configuration at > subscribe-time, but I don't recall the settings being especially > hard to apply. > > > -Brian > > > On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas > susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu > > wrote: > > I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar > experiences with web forums for various electronic structure > and modeling codes.  The web format does not seem to be > conducive to substantive technical interactions. > > However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to > Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. > > - Susan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung > andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote: >> Jan is definitely in a thankless position.  I am sad to say I >> don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the >> like; I wish I did.  It would be wonderful if someone here >> would be able to help Jan! >> >> I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary >> someday, and perhaps someday soon.  I'm certainly not in a >> position to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the >> necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an >> immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to mention -- >> politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, >> honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the >> time needed to actually visit the website. People (myself >> included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be >> hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in >> the habit of checking a website forum. >> >> This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when >> the support group for one of my favorite computational >> chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; >> the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced >> (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. >> >> Andrew >> >> Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry >> >> Carnegie Mellon University >> >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty >> apisanty]^[gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> Jan, >> >> further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer >> this myself, but could some of this list's participants >> offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on >> associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in >> your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis!  It's a >> thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a >> Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned >> decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one >> forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being >> able to offer assistance myself. >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock >> dmannock~~yahoo.com >> wrote: >> >> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a >> copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT >> Are there back up methods that will allow you to >> store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >> >> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan >> Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz >> ] >> Dear CCL Members, >> >> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My >> business internet provider >> outsourced its business services to another company. >> The issue is that >> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range >> of IP addresses. >> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my >> firewall. Instead, >> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet >> that I do not control. >> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >> >> This will require that I completely redo the firewall >> rules. Moreover, >> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. >> I am not sure >> how my digital certificates will perform under the >> new IP addresses. >> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or >> completely rewritten. >> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and >> DNS was over 10 years ago, >> so it will be a learning process for me after all >> these years. If I cannot >> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in >> the current form. >> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based >> forum only and possibly >> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in >> large part by spammers >> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes >> and experiments. >> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >> >> Jan Labanowski >> CCL Manager >> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >> >> >> >> >> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. >> You can also >> >> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net >> or use:>> >> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net >> or use>> Conferences: >> http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ >> >> Search Messages: >> http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/searchccl/index.shtml>> >> >> >> >> -- >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> Facultad de Química UNAM >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> +525541444475 >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Susan R. Atlas > Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology > Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and > Center for Quantum Information and Control > MSC07 4220 > 1 University of New Mexico e:susie#sapphire.phys.unm.edu > Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 > -- Dr. Robert Molt Jr. r.molt.chemical.physics]^[gmail.com --------------L5wGxYYppbMWTi0Mznt0ny7r Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

If CCL moves to a LinkedIn-basis for communications, I personally will unsubscribe. LinkedIn is the MySpace of communication; it is dense with random communications about nothing from strangers and bots. I very much support that we use a Google groups format, much as the GAMESS community does.

On 5/11/22 6:28 PM, Gabriele Mogni gabriele.mogni(~)gmail.com wrote:
The following links can hopefully provide an overview on how group notifications can be customized on LinkedIn, as well as how to receive such notifications directly to your email: 




Let me know your thoughts, 

Gabriele Mogni 



On Thu, 12 May 2022, 00:17 Brian Skinn brian.skinn(~)gmail.com, <owner-chemistry---ccl.net> wrote:
For what it's worth, I believe Google Groups (at least) can be configured by each subscriber so that all posts are delivered to their email addresses in essentially the same way as CCL currently is.

I'm not sure if that behavior can be set as the default, or if each subscriber would have to apply that configuration at subscribe-time, but I don't recall the settings being especially hard to apply.


-Brian


On Wed, May 11, 2022, 01:01 Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu <owner-chemistry^ccl.net> wrote:
I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes.  The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. 

- Susan


On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:
Jan is definitely in a thankless position.  I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.  It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon.  I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.  But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website.  People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon University


On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, 

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis!  It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:
Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:



Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure
how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,
so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly
migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers
and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski
CCL Manager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net



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