Jan,=C2=A0

further to your troubles. I = am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list'= s participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on assoc= iates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does=C2=A0= what Jan needs on a daily basis!=C2=A0 It's a thankless task Jan is fac= ing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a plan= ned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emerg= ency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM= David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> wro= te:

Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a = copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up method= s that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? Dav= id

=20

=20
On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanows= ki jkl^wowway.biz <o= wner-chemistry a ccl.net&g= t; wrote:

Sent to CC= L by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Membe= rs,

There are problems= ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is = that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a smal= l range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to contr= ol access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I = will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
<= /div>
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP address= es.

This will require = that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not= sure
how my digital certificates will perform un= der the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need= to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years = ago,
so it will be a learning process for me afte= r all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, i= t will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possib= ly
migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud= is occupied in large part by spammers
and cracke= rs. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.
=
Jan Labanowski
CCL Man= ager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net

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--00000000000093cf0d05dea9e811-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue May 10 17:41:00 2022 From: "Bennion, Brian bennion1,llnl.gov" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54668-220510155801-23788-QjeuxIzK53RVUBfcDzE5iA]=[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Bennion, Brian" Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BY3PR09MB813116C67C2F4BBC53CF4519F6C99BY3PR09MB8131namp_" Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 19:57:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Bennion, Brian" [bennion1(a)llnl.gov] --_000_BY3PR09MB813116C67C2F4BBC53CF4519F6C99BY3PR09MB8131namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the pros and cons to a google group or other web based platform? the gamess forum works fairly well as a google group. However, that is my = only experience so far with a google group. ________________________________ > From: owner-chemistry+bennion1=3D=3Dllnl.gov=-=ccl.net on behalf of Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.= com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 8:23 AM To: Bennion, Brian Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Jan, further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but = could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of = your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or i= n your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankless task = Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to= be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced b= y an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance my= self. Alejandro Pisanty On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com

> wrote: Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum = in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to = store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz

> wrote: Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] Dear CCL Members, There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead, I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control. In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover, I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten. The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years a= go, so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form. I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. Jan Labanowski CCL Manager jkl,,wowway.biz ,= ccl,,ccl.net -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script =3D-the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can alsoE-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or u= se: E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de Qu=EDmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C= 0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . --_000_BY3PR09MB813116C67C2F4BBC53CF4519F6C99BY3PR09MB8131namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What are the pros and cons to a google group or other web based platform?

the gamess forum works fairly well as a google group. However, that i= s my only experience so far with a google group.

From: owner-chemistry+benni= on1=3D=3Dllnl.gov=-=ccl.net <owner-chemistry+bennion1=3D=3Dllnl.gov=-=ccl.ne= t> on behalf of Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry=-=ccl.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 8:23 AM
To: Bennion, Brian <bennion1=-=llnl.gov>
Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL

Jan,

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself,= but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or som= e of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you= or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should = we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision= , with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again = I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM Dav= id Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:

Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of = the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that w= ill allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]

Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business in= ternet provider

outsourced its business services to another company. The i= ssue is that

CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP = addresses.

This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewa= ll. Instead,

I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I d= o not control.

In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rule= s. Moreover,

I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this sub= net. I am not sure

how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP = addresses.

The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or complet= ely rewritten.

The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS wa= s over 10 years ago,

so it will be a learning process for me after all these ye= ars. If I cannot

make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the = current form.

I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum onl= y and possibly

migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied= in large part by spammers

and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and exp= eriments.

Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski

CCL Manager

jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net

-=3D This is automatically added to each message by the ma= iling script =3D-

To recover the email address of the author of the message,= please change

the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You = can also

E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:

E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use

Before posting, check wait time at: http://www.ccl.net

Job: http://www.ccl.net/jobs

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Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
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--_000_BY3PR09MB813116C67C2F4BBC53CF4519F6C99BY3PR09MB8131namp_-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue May 10 18:16:00 2022 From: "Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54669-220510173404-6236-ITj/YOQR5WfAWytVJyknFA_._server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Andrew DeYoung Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000005f18a05deaf157b" Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 17:33:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Andrew DeYoung [andrewdaviddeyoung^_^gmail.com] --00000000000005f18a05deaf157b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum. This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it. Andrew Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry Carnegie Mellon University On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com < owner-chemistry(-)ccl.net> wrote: > Jan, > > further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, bu= t > could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some o= f > your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or > in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankless ta= sk > Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that = to > be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced = by > an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance > myself. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com < > owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote: > >> Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire >> forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allo= w >> you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David >> >> On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz] >> Dear CCL Members, >> >> There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provide= r >> outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that >> CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses. >> This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead, >> I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control. >> In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. >> >> This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover, >> I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure >> how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses. >> The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten. >> The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 year= s >> ago, >> so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cann= ot >> make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form. >> I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly >> migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spamme= rs >> and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments. >> Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. >> >> Jan Labanowski >> CCL Manager >> jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net >> >> >> >> -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = =3D->> the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also>> >> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:>> >> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net or use>> >> >> > > -- > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > --00000000000005f18a05deaf157b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jan is definitely in a thankless pos= ition.=C2=A0 I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did.= =C2=A0 It=20 would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday,=20 and perhaps someday soon.=C2=A0 I'm certainly not in a position to be &= quot;picky" because=20 I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and= =20 it sounds like an immensely difficult situation.=C2=A0 But I'd like to= =20 mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that,=20 honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed=20 to actually visit the website.=C2=A0 People (myself included) check their= =20 email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time=20 investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website=20 forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite=20 computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web=20 forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andr= ew

Andrew D= eYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon University

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry(-)ccl.net> wrote:

Jan,=C2=A0

=
further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself,= but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or= some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of= you or in your groups does=C2=A0what Jan needs on a daily basis!=C2=A0 It&= #39;s a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, o= ne would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a trans= ition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able= to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote= :
=

Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a = copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up method= s that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? Dav= id

=20

=20
On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanows= ki jkl^wowway.biz <o= wner-chemistry a ccl.net&g= t; wrote:

Sent to CC= L by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]
Dear CCL Membe= rs,

There are problems= ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider
outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is = that
CCL operated from a regular subnet of a smal= l range of IP addresses.
This allowed me to contr= ol access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,
I = will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.
<= /div>
In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP address= es.

This will require = that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,
I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not= sure
how my digital certificates will perform un= der the new IP addresses.
The DNS rules will need= to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.
The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years = ago,
so it will be a learning process for me afte= r all these years. If I cannot
make CCL secure, i= t will be a demise of this forum in the current form.
I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possib= ly
migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud= is occupied in large part by spammers
and cracke= rs. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.
Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.
=
Jan Labanowski
CCL Man= ager
jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net

-=3D This is automatically add= ed to each message by the mailing script =3D-
To = recover the email address of the author of the message, please change
the strange characters on the top line to the a sign= . You can also
look up the X-Original-From: line = in the mail header.

E-= mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net or use:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message

E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST= a ccl.net or use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 htt= p://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http= ://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtml

=
Before posting, check wait time at: http://www.ccl.net

Job: http://www.ccl.net/jobs
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Facul= tad de Qu=C3=ADmica UNAM
Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico+525541444475
Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisant= y
Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis= /22285/4A106C0C8614
Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a = ISOC Mexico, http://www.i= soc.org
. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. = =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0. =C2=A0.
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--00000000000005f18a05deaf157b-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue May 10 23:03:01 2022 From: "Susan R. Atlas susie++sapphire.phys.unm.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54670-220510204024-17868-OE3vtML5jIUMTwcrQCAMRA]*[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Susan R. Atlas" Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------i5GGuuNP3og3SEO10q9etsEW" Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 18:40:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Susan R. Atlas" [susie=sapphire.phys.unm.edu] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------i5GGuuNP3og3SEO10q9etsEW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions. However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years. - Susan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote: > Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't > have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I > did. It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan! > > I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, > and perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be > "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan > described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But > I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only > forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of > the time needed to actually visit the website. People (myself > included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in > terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of > checking a website forum. > > This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the > support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes > moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of > questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because > fewer people are checking it. > > Andrew > > Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry > > Carnegie Mellon University > > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com >

wrote: > > Jan, > > further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this > myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of > yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with > appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does what > Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankless task Jan is facing. > Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a > planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one > forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to > offer assistance myself. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com >

wrote: > > Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the > entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up > methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud > in the meantime? David > > On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski > jkl^wowway.biz

> wrote: > > > > Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz > ] > Dear CCL Members, > > There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business > internet provider > outsourced its business services to another company. The issue > is that > CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP > addresses. > This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. > Instead, > I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do > not control. > In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses. > > This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. > Moreover, > I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure > how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP > addresses. > The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely > rewritten. > The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was > over 10 years ago, > so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. > If I cannot > make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the > current form. > I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only > and possibly > migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part > by spammers > and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and > experiments. > Sorry about it, but it was not my idea. > > Jan Labanowski > CCL Manager > jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net > > > > > -= This is automatically added to each message by the mailing > script =- > To recover the email address of the author of the message, > please change > the strange characters on the top line to the a sign. You can also> > E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY a ccl.net > or use:> > E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST a ccl.net > or use> Conferences: > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ > > Search Messages: > http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/searchccl/index.shtml> > > > > -- > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de Química UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Susan R. Atlas Associate Professor of Chemistry & Chemical Biology Research Professor, Physics and Astronomy and Center for Quantum Information and Control MSC07 4220 1 University of New Mexico e:susie ~~ sapphire.phys.unm.edu Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 --------------i5GGuuNP3og3SEO10q9etsEW Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I second all of Andrew's comments; I have had similar experiences with web forums for various electronic structure and modeling codes. The web format does not seem to be conducive to substantive technical interactions.

However it works out, I would like to add a sincere thanks to Jan for his hard work in keeping CCL going all these years.

- Susan

On 5/10/2022 3:33 PM, Andrew DeYoung andrewdaviddeyoung|,|gmail.com wrote:

Jan is definitely in a thankless position. I am sad to say I don't have experience with firewalls, IP addresses, and the like; I wish I did. It would be wonderful if someone here would be able to help Jan!

I understand that moving to a Web-only forum may be necessary someday, and perhaps someday soon. I'm certainly not in a position to be "picky" because I'm not able to help with the necessary fixes that Jan described -- and it sounds like an immensely difficult situation. But I'd like to mention -- politely -- that one downside to a Web-only forum is that, honestly, fewer people are likely to read it because of the time needed to actually visit the website. People (myself included) check their email quite frequently, but it would be hard, in terms of time investment, for some people to get in the habit of checking a website forum.

This is, unfortunately and sadly, what I think happened when the support group for one of my favorite computational chemistry codes moved from an (e)mailing list to a web forum; the vibrancy of questions and answers was reduced (significantly I think) because fewer people are checking it.

Andrew

Andrew DeYoung, PhD Department of Chemistry

Carnegie Mellon University

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM Alejandro Pisanty apisanty]^[gmail.com <owner-chemistry~~ccl.net> wrote:

Jan,

further to your troubles. I am not in a position to offer this myself, but could some of this list's participants offer help of yourselves or some of your more hands-on associates with appropriate experience? Some of you or in your groups does what Jan needs on a daily basis! It's a thankless task Jan is facing. Should we move to a Web-only forum, one would prefer that to be a planned decision, with pros, cons, and a transition, not one forced by an emergency. Again I apologize for not being able to offer assistance myself.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:58 PM David Mannock dmannock~~yahoo.com <owner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:

Jan, Can your present provider provide you with a copy of the entire forum in a portable format. ALT Are there back up methods that will allow you to store the messages on a cloud in the meantime? David

On Monday, May 9, 2022, 10:20:16 a.m. MDT, Jan Labanowski jkl^wowway.biz <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Jan Labanowski" [jkl_-_wowway.biz]

Dear CCL Members,

There are problems ahead for CCL operation. My business internet provider

outsourced its business services to another company. The issue is that

CCL operated from a regular subnet of a small range of IP addresses.

This allowed me to control access efficiently on my firewall. Instead,

I will need to move the CCL to a humongous subnet that I do not control.

In this subnet I will have 4 usable static IP addresses.

This will require that I completely redo the firewall rules. Moreover,

I do not know "who" are my neighbors on this subnet. I am not sure

how my digital certificates will perform under the new IP addresses.

The DNS rules will need to be either outsourced or completely rewritten.

The last time I was messing with firewall rules and DNS was over 10 years ago,

so it will be a learning process for me after all these years. If I cannot

make CCL secure, it will be a demise of this forum in the current form.

I may be forced to restrict the CCL to Web based forum only and possibly

migrate it to "cloud". And the cloud is occupied in large part by spammers

and crackers. So expect a lot of downtime, changes and experiments.

Sorry about it, but it was not my idea.

Jan Labanowski

CCL Manager

jkl,,wowway.biz , ccl,,ccl.net

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