From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 02:35:01 2019 From: "Francois Berenger beren314[-]bio.kyutech.ac.jp" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53884-191218004404-7794-c/bQH1w0iisW/OAe3pgUlQ!^!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Francois Berenger" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 00:44:01 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [beren314-,-bio.kyutech.ac.jp] Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto university (Japan). We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html More information can be found at: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html The registration page is: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The organizers. From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 03:10:01 2019 From: "Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53885-191218004638-8081-zulzl8MTDuZti79HHAeZdw!=!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Francois Berenger" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 00:46:35 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto university (Japan). We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html More information can be found at: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html The registration page is: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The organizers. From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 05:29:01 2019 From: "Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann:-:uit.no" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53886-191218052650-6727-OxSFE5naexhOkHXaGVmpGA- -server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:26:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann]^[uit.no] Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry, I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. with best regards Kathrin Hopmann -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann==uit.no^^ccl.net On Behalf Of Francois Berenger beren314[-]bio.kyutech.ac.jp Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:44 To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [beren314-,-bio.kyutech.ac.jp] Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto university (Japan). We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html More information can be found at: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html The registration page is: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 06:12:01 2019 From: "Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53887-191218060734-19098-okJGgc35xE55dQ2nGRzyRg[A]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:07:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry, I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?). I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things. with best regards, Kathrin Hopmann -----Original Message----- > From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 To: 'CCL Subscribers' Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry, I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. with best regards Kathrin Hopmann -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann==uit.no ~~ ccl.net On Behalf Of Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto university (Japan). We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html More information can be found at: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html The registration page is: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 09:36:00 2019 From: "zborowsk zborowsk,chemia.uj.edu.pl" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53888-191218093053-7318-5UBgwjRzjloUXtH5OEk22g|*|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: zborowsk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 14:30:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]|[chemia.uj.edu.pl] W dniu 2019-12-18 11:07, Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no napisał(a): > Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] > Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > Methods in Chemistry, > > I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female > speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have > misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?). > > I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a > gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem > sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things. > > with best regards, > Kathrin Hopmann Do not only talk about, simply take a part in the conference, then the balance will be significantly improved. > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann > Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 > To: 'CCL Subscribers' > Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > Methods in Chemistry > > Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > Methods in Chemistry, > > I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. > Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. > > > with best regards > Kathrin Hopmann > > -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann==uit.no^ccl.net >> On Behalf Of >> Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu > Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 > To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann > Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods > in Chemistry > > > Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] > Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! > > Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto > university (Japan). > > We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html > > More information can be found at: > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html > > The registration page is: > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html > > We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The > > organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt > > > -= This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script > =- > To recover the email address of the author of the message, please > change> Conferences: > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/-- Krzysztof K. Zborowski Faculty of Chemistry Jagiellonian University in Krakow 2 Gronostajowa Street 30-387 Krakow Poland email: zborowsk * chemia.uj.edu.pl From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 11:19:01 2019 From: "Jim Kress jimkress35[#]gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53889-191218111457-3172-UZ1Z/jtBPM1r/gwErsUHWQ*server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:14:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [jimkress35!A!gmail.com] If you don't "approve" the list of speakers, don't attend. The conformation of genitalia (or any other physical trait) is not a proper selection criterion. Speakers should be chosen on the basis of accomplishments, not gender. Heaven forbid we actually live in a meritocracy. If you provide a list of females who should be exalted due to accomplishments, I'm sure the organizers of the Workshop would be interested. Otherwise, you need to provide what you believe is an acceptable list that is representative of the 26 genders you and your comrades have chosen to be fashionable. Jim Kress -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com]![ccl.net On Behalf Of Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:07 AM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry, I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?). I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things. with best regards, Kathrin Hopmann -----Original Message----- > From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 To: 'CCL Subscribers' Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry, I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. with best regards Kathrin Hopmann -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann==uit.no^ccl.net > On Behalf Of > Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto university (Japan). We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html More information can be found at: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html The registration page is: http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net /chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txthttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 12:38:01 2019 From: "Carlos Simmerling carlos.simmerling#,#gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53890-191218123400-8512-Gnv1kkTbkN46zm3xNcHhzg]-[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Carlos Simmerling Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003628ef0599fdd989" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Carlos Simmerling [carlos.simmerling(a)gmail.com] --0000000000003628ef0599fdd989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 11:26 AM zborowsk zborowsk,chemia.uj.edu.pl < owner-chemistry%x%ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]|[chemia.uj.edu.pl] > W dniu 2019-12-18 11:07, Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no > napisa=C5=82(a): > > Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] > > Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > > Methods in Chemistry, > > > > I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female > > speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have > > misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?). > > > > I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a > > gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem > > sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things. > > > > with best regards, > > Kathrin Hopmann > > Do not only talk about, simply take a part in the conference, then the > balance will be significantly improved. > > In my opinion we shouldn't expect a subgroup of the field to attend any conference when they do not see others like themselves in the invited speaker list. For the specific case of women in computational chemistry, there is an excellent resource that can and should be consulted by organizers (and is good reading for everyone in our field) http://iopenshell.usc.edu/wtc/ These issues have been discussed here before, I just thought it could be a useful reminder that we need to be active about improving this situation and not just wait for women to register in order to solve it themselves. > > Carlos Simmerling > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann > > Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 > > To: 'CCL Subscribers' > > Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > > Methods in Chemistry > > > > Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > > Methods in Chemistry, > > > > I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. > > Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. > > > > > > with best regards > > Kathrin Hopmann > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann=3D=3Duit.no^ccl.net > >> On Behalf Of > >> Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu > > Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 > > To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann > > Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods > > in Chemistry > > > > > > Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] > > Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > > Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! > > > > Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto > > university (Japan). > > > > We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: > > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html > > > > More information can be found at: > > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html > > > > The registration page is: > > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html > > > > We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The > > > > organizers.http://www.ccl.net/chemist= ry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt > > > > > > -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script > > =3D- > > To recover the email address of the author of the message, please > > change> Conferences: > > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/-- > Krzysztof K. 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On Wed, Dec 18, 2= 019, 11:26 AM zborowsk zborowsk,chemia.uj.edu.pl <owner-chemistry%x%ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]|[chemia.uj.edu.pl]
W dniu 2019-12-18 11:07, Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no =
napisa=C5=82(a):
> Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no]
> Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > Methods in Chemistry,
>
> I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female
> speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have
> misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?).
>
> I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a
> gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem
> sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things.
>
> with best regards,
> Kathrin Hopmann

Do not only talk about, simply take a part in the conference, then the
balance will be significantly improved.

In my opinion we shouldn't expect a subgroup= of the field to attend any conference when they do not see others like the= mselves in the invited speaker list. For the specific case of women in comp= utational chemistry, there is an excellent resource that can and should be = consulted by organizers (and is good reading for everyone in our field)=C2= =A0
http://iopenshell.usc.e= du/wtc/

These issues have been disc= ussed here before, I just thought it could be a useful reminder that we nee= d to be active about improving this situation and not just wait for women t= o register in order to solve it themselves.=C2=A0

Carlos Simmerling=C2=A0


>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann
> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27
> To: 'CCL Subscribers' <chemistry^ccl.net>
> Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational
> Methods in Chemistry
>
> Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > Methods in Chemistry,
>
> I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website.
> Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman.
>
>
> with best regards
> Kathrin Hopmann
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann=3D=3Duit.no^ccl.net <= br> >> <owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann=3D=3Duit.no^ccl.net>= On Behalf Of
>> Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu
> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47
> To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann <kathrin.hopmann^uit.no>
> Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods > in Chemistry
>
>
> Sent to CCL by: "Francois=C2=A0 Berenger" [mlists- -ligan= d.eu]
> Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational
> Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open!
>
> Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto
> university (Japan).
>
> We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: > http://www.chem.kuma= moto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html
>
> More information can be found at:
> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.= jp/~frjp2020/index.html
>
> The registration page is:
> http://www.chem.kumamoto= -u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html
>
> We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The
>
> organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin= /ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www= .ccl.net/spammers.txt
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--0000000000003628ef0599fdd989-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 13:13:01 2019 From: "Shahar Keinan skeinan : gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53891-191218124327-12520-t9NOwPpyeozKKpXPj1d3xQ##server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Shahar Keinan Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:43:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Shahar Keinan [skeinan###gmail.com] I agree with Kathrin here, it is the role of the organizers to make sure that they have a balanced conference. And it is the role of the community to call them out when they fail to do so. Shahar On 12/18/19 9:30 AM, zborowsk zborowsk,chemia.uj.edu.pl wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]|[chemia.uj.edu.pl] > W dniu 2019-12-18 11:07, Kathrin Helen Hopmann > kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no napisał(a): >> Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] >> Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry, >> >> I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female >> speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have >> misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?). >> >> I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a >> gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem >> sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things. >> >> with best regards, >> Kathrin Hopmann > > Do not only talk about, simply take a part in the conference, then the > balance will be significantly improved. > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann >> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 >> To: 'CCL Subscribers' >> Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry >> >> Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry, >> >> I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. >> Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. >> >> >> with best regards >> Kathrin Hopmann >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann==uit.no^ccl.net >>> On Behalf Of >>> Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu >> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 >> To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann >> Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods >> in Chemistry >> >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Francois  Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] >> Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! >> >> Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto >> university (Japan). >> >> We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html >> >> More information can be found at: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html >> >> The registration page is: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html >> >> We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The >> >> organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt>> To recover the email address of the author of the message, please >> change> Conferences: >> http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/-- > Krzysztof K. Zborowski > Faculty of Chemistry > Jagiellonian University in Krakow > 2 Gronostajowa Street > 30-387 Krakow > Poland > email: zborowsk-#-chemia.uj.edu.pl>     >     http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlConferences: > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/>     > > -- ----------------- Shahar Keinan (919)-357-5319 From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 13:48:00 2019 From: "Mezei, Mihaly mihaly.mezei|mssm.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53892-191218133355-8351-LhHtfAj2o+ys7OPcWSvjKQ:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Mezei, Mihaly" Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 18:33:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Mezei, Mihaly" [mihaly.mezei*o*mssm.edu] Jim, there you go again. Do you really believe that male scientists are so much more meritorious than female scientists that only one out of 19 makes the grade? Furthermore, can you be so sure about your measure of merit that you are able to confidently rank the field and tell who is the 19th and who is the 20th? Finally, there is no need to insult a member of the CCL community - I suggest you apologize. Mihaly Mezei Department of Pharmacological Sciences, Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Voice: (212) 659-5475 Fax: (212) 849-2456 WWW (MSSM home): http://icahn.mssm.edu/profiles/mihaly-mezei WWW (Lab home - software, publications): http://inka.mssm.edu/~mezei WWW (Department): http://www.mssm.edu/departments-and-institutes/pharmacology-and-systems-therapeutics ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speakers should be chosen on the basis of accomplishments, not gender. Heaven forbid we actually live in a meritocracy. If you provide a list of females who should be exalted due to accomplishments, I'm sure the organizers of the Workshop would be interested. Otherwise, you need to provide what you believe is an acceptable list that is representative of the 26 genders you and your comrades have chosen to be fashionable. Jim Kress - From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 14:22:00 2019 From: "Nathan Seifert nas3xf .. virginia.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53893-191218124454-13132-7PsYfBPBEsHUvUKgHqKZRw!=!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Nathan Seifert Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e1c7a90599fdfe2d" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:44:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Nathan Seifert [nas3xf[a]virginia.edu] --000000000000e1c7a90599fdfe2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" CCL members, We should appreciate the great holiday gift bequeathed to us, the rare appearance of Jim Kress. It is a holiday of macabre origins, not unlike a bizarro Groundhog Day. In fact, his presence here is somewhat like a time-stretched Punxsutawney Phil; when he pops his head out of his hole on (thankfully) increasingly rare occasions and casts his shadow on our e-mail inboxes, it means we need to spend another 6 years fighting for gender equity in our community. With regards, Nathan Seifert On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:10 AM Jim Kress jimkress35[#]gmail.com < owner-chemistry###ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [jimkress35!A!gmail.com] > If you don't "approve" the list of speakers, don't attend. The > conformation > of genitalia (or any other physical trait) is not a proper selection > criterion. > > Speakers should be chosen on the basis of accomplishments, not gender. > > Heaven forbid we actually live in a meritocracy. If you provide a list of > females who should be exalted due to accomplishments, I'm sure the > organizers of the Workshop would be interested. > > Otherwise, you need to provide what you believe is an acceptable list that > is representative of the 26 genders you and your comrades have chosen to be > fashionable. > > Jim Kress > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com_-_ccl.net > On Behalf Of Kathrin > Helen > Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:07 AM > To: Kress, Jim > Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in > Chemistry > > > Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] Dear > Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in > Chemistry, > > I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female speaker > among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have misinterpreted some > of the other name and there are more?). > > I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a gender-balanced > program. But we need to talk about this problem sometimes, so that we can > find out how we can improve things. > > with best regards, > Kathrin Hopmann > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann > Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 > To: 'CCL Subscribers' > Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in > Chemistry > > Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational > Methods > in Chemistry, > > I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. > Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. > > > with best regards > Kathrin Hopmann > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann==uit.no^ccl.net > > On Behalf Of > > Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu > Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 > To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann > Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in > Chemistry > > > Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] Registration for > the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry > (FJCMC2020) is open! > > Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto university > (Japan). > > We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html > > More information can be found at: > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html > > The registration page is: > http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html > > We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The > organizers.http://www.ccl.net > /chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp:// > www.ccl.net/spammers.txthttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt> > > --000000000000e1c7a90599fdfe2d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CCL members,

We should appre= ciate the great holiday gift bequeathed to us, the rare appearance of Jim K= ress. It is a holiday of macabre origins, not unlike a bizarro Groundhog Da= y.

In fact, his presence here is somewhat like= a time-stretched Punxsutawney Phil; when he pops his head out of his hole on (thankful= ly) increasingly rare occasions and casts his shadow on our e-mail inboxes,= it means we need to spend another 6 years fighting for gender equity in ou= r community.


With regards,
Nathan Seifert

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:10 AM Jim Kress jimkress35[#]gmail.com <owner-chemistry###ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [jimkress35!A!gmail.com]
If you don't "approve" the list of speakers, don't attend= .=C2=A0 The conformation
of genitalia (or any other physical trait) is not a proper selection
criterion.=C2=A0

Speakers should be chosen on the basis of accomplishments, not gender.

Heaven forbid we actually live in a meritocracy.=C2=A0 If you provide a lis= t of
females who should be exalted due to accomplishments, I'm sure the
organizers of the Workshop would be interested.

Otherwise, you need to provide what you believe is an acceptable list that<= br> is representative of the 26 genders you and your comrades have chosen to be=
fashionable.

Jim Kress

-----Original Message-----
> From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35=3D=3Dgmail.com_-_ccl.net
<owner-chemistry+jimkress35=3D=3Dgmail.com_-_ccl.net> On Behalf = Of Kathrin Helen
Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:07 AM
To: Kress, Jim=C2=A0 <jimkress35_-_gmail.com>
Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in
Chemistry


Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] Dear
Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in<= br> Chemistry,

I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have misinterpreted some=
of the other name and there are more?).

I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a gender-balanced=
program. But we need to talk about this problem sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things.

with best regards,
Kathrin Hopmann


-----Original Message-----
> From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann
Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27
To: 'CCL Subscribers' <chemistry^ccl.net>
Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in<= br> Chemistry

Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Method= s
in Chemistry,

I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website.
Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman.


with best regards
Kathrin Hopmann

-----Original Message-----
> From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann=3D=3Duit.no^ccl.net
> <owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann=3D=3Duit.no^ccl.net> On Behalf Of
> Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu
Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47
To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann <kathrin.hopmann^uit.no>
Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in
Chemistry


Sent to CCL by: "Francois=C2=A0 Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] Registr= ation for
the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry
(FJCMC2020) is open!

Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto university<= br> (Japan).

We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers:
http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~fr= jp2020/invited-speakers.html

More information can be found at:
http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/inde= x.html

The registration page is:
http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp20= 20/registration.html

We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The
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--000000000000e1c7a90599fdfe2d-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 14:57:00 2019 From: "Tatiana Korona tania(0)tiger.chem.uw.edu.pl" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53894-191218130812-22073-kyJe7hz6ym7FwcSR9wxRNw:+:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Tatiana Korona Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1473576194-871774925-1576692484=:27085" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 19:08:04 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Tatiana Korona [tania#%#tiger.chem.uw.edu.pl] This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1473576194-871774925-1576692484=:27085 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Dear Prof. Zborowski, Kathrin Hopmann wrote about invited speakers. She cannot invite herself to= =20 improve gender balance :-) Best regards, Tatiana Korona On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, zborowsk zborowsk,chemia.uj.edu.pl wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]|[chemia.uj.edu.pl] > W dniu 2019-12-18 11:07, Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no= =20 > napisa=C5=82(a): >> Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] >> Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry, >>=20 >> I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female >> speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have >> misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?). >>=20 >> I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a >> gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem >> sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things. >>=20 >> with best regards, >> Kathrin Hopmann > > Do not only talk about, simply take a part in the conference, then the=20 > balance will be significantly improved. > >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann >> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 >> To: 'CCL Subscribers' >> Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry >>=20 >> Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry, >>=20 >> I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. >> Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. >>=20 >>=20 >> with best regards >> Kathrin Hopmann >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann=3D=3Duit.no^ccl.net=20 >>> On Behalf Of Fran= cois=20 >>> Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu >> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 >> To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann >> Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods >> in Chemistry >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] >> Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! >>=20 >> Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto >> university (Japan). >>=20 >> We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html >>=20 >> More information can be found at: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html >>=20 >> The registration page is: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html >>=20 >> We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The >>=20 >> organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl= =2Enet/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt >>=20 >>=20 >> -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = =3D-= >=20-= -=20 > Krzysztof K. Zborowski > Faculty of Chemistry > Jagiellonian University in Krakow > 2 Gronostajowa Street > 30-387 Krakow > Poland > email: zborowsk-#-chemia.uj.edu.pl > > > > -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = =3D-http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlConferences:=20 > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/> > Dr. Tatiana Korona http://tiger.chem.uw.edu.pl/staff/tania/tania.html Quantum Chemistry Laboratory, University of Warsaw, Pasteura 1, PL-02-093 W= arsaw, POLAND --1473576194-871774925-1576692484=:27085-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 17:29:01 2019 From: "Jim Kress jimkress35_+_gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53895-191218171845-31083-1eylyLt+3Bdx8NrluE8rkw++server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:18:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [jimkress35[a]gmail.com] So, they need to ensure they have proper representation of all 26 genders in their program. > From the responses I have seen, including the personal attacks by Mr. Seifert, it is obvious the concept of meritocracy is dead. That is unfortunate. It reduces these Workshops to useless displays of virtue signaling and mediocre science. I will not comment further. I'll have to invoke Mark Twain when he said " "Never argue with a pig. It just frustrates you and irritates the pig." Jim Kress -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com . ccl.net On Behalf Of Shahar Keinan skeinan : gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:43 PM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Sent to CCL by: Shahar Keinan [skeinan###gmail.com] I agree with Kathrin here, it is the role of the organizers to make sure that they have a balanced conference. And it is the role of the community to call them out when they fail to do so. Shahar On 12/18/19 9:30 AM, zborowsk zborowsk,chemia.uj.edu.pl wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]|[chemia.uj.edu.pl] W dniu > 2019-12-18 11:07, Kathrin Helen Hopmann kathrin.hopmann.:.uit.no > napisał(a): >> Sent to CCL by: Kathrin Helen Hopmann [kathrin.hopmann..uit.no] Dear >> Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry, >> >> I am sorry that I may have miscounted, it seems there is 1 female >> speaker among the 19 confirmed invited speakers (perhaps I have >> misinterpreted some of the other name and there are more?). >> >> I know it is not easy for conference organizers to ensure a >> gender-balanced program. But we need to talk about this problem >> sometimes, so that we can find out how we can improve things. >> >> with best regards, >> Kathrin Hopmann > > Do not only talk about, simply take a part in the conference, then the > balance will be significantly improved. > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kathrin Helen Hopmann >> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 11:27 >> To: 'CCL Subscribers' >> Subject: RE: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry >> >> Dear Organizers of the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry, >> >> I counted 19 confirmed invited speakers on your website. >> Sadly, not a single of these seems to be a woman. >> >> >> with best regards >> Kathrin Hopmann >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-chemistry+kathrin.hopmann==uit.no^ccl.net >>> On Behalf Of >>> Francois Berenger mlists(a)ligand.eu >> Sent: onsdag 18. desember 2019 06:47 >> To: Kathrin Helen Hopmann >> Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods >> in Chemistry >> >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Francois Berenger" [mlists- -ligand.eu] >> Registration for the 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational >> Methods in Chemistry (FJCMC2020) is open! >> >> Please consider joining us March 19th and 20th 2020 at Kumamoto >> university (Japan). >> >> We will be lucky to have presentations by many prestigious speakers: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/invited-speakers.html >> >> More information can be found at: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/index.html >> >> The registration page is: >> http://www.chem.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/~frjp2020/registration.html >> >> We are looking forward to meet you in Kumamoto, The >> >> organizers.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www. >> ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt>> To >> recover the email address of the author of the message, please >> change> Conferences: >> http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/-- > Krzysztof K. Zborowski > Faculty of Chemistry > Jagiellonian University in Krakow > 2 Gronostajowa Street > 30-387 Krakow > Poland > email: zborowsk-#-chemia.uj.edu.plConferences: > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/> > > -- ----------------- Shahar Keinan (919)-357-5319http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 18 23:29:00 2019 From: "Jim Kress jimkress35#gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Message-Id: <-53896-191218150536-17342-B3Uk0F94odfmehEVJdXY9g-.-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 15:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [jimkress35 . gmail.com] I'd suggest you actually READ what I wrote. I did not state women are inferior. What I did suggest was that the concept of "MERITOCRACY" (a non-genderized term) be use for invitations. I also suggested the original author provide a list of candidates to the meeting organizers. Carlos Simmering's reply was useful and positive. Yours is just negative and totally sexist. Jim Kress -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com(_)ccl.net On Behalf Of Mezei, Mihaly mihaly.mezei|mssm.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:34 PM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: 8th French-Japanese Workshop on Computational Methods in Chemistry Sent to CCL by: "Mezei, Mihaly" [mihaly.mezei*o*mssm.edu] Jim, there you go again. Do you really believe that male scientists are so much more meritorious than female scientists that only one out of 19 makes the grade? Furthermore, can you be so sure about your measure of merit that you are able to confidently rank the field and tell who is the 19th and who is the 20th? Finally, there is no need to insult a member of the CCL community - I suggest you apologize. Mihaly Mezei Department of Pharmacological Sciences, Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Voice: (212) 659-5475 Fax: (212) 849-2456 WWW (MSSM home): http://icahn.mssm.edu/profiles/mihaly-mezei WWW (Lab home - software, publications): http://inka.mssm.edu/~mezei WWW (Department): http://www.mssm.edu/departments-and-institutes/pharmacology-and-systems-ther apeutics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- Speakers should be chosen on the basis of accomplishments, not gender. Heaven forbid we actually live in a meritocracy. If you provide a list of females who should be exalted due to accomplishments, I'm sure the organizers of the Workshop would be interested. Otherwise, you need to provide what you believe is an acceptable list that is representative of the 26 genders you and your comrades have chosen to be fashionable. Jim Kress -http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt