From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Mar 8 14:37:00 2019 From: "Jeya Vimalan jeyavimalan2k#gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Activation Energy Message-Id: <-53637-190308143610-13060-+GhX4eaWQ3iMthEwCRFPIQ#%#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Jeya Vimalan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000561ee305839a5547" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 11:35:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Jeya Vimalan [jeyavimalan2k-x-gmail.com] --000000000000561ee305839a5547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, I have the following question. What is the range of activation energy that can happen at room temperature. For example, in one paper i see 0.4 eV and in some cases 1+ eV. Sometimes more than 1.5 eV when plane wave basis sets are used. Are there any papers that correlates activation energy to temperature. If anyone has a script/methodology, can you please share it with me. Thanks in advance. Vimal --000000000000561ee305839a5547 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,

I have the following question= .

What is the range of activation energy that can = happen at room temperature.
For example, in one paper i see 0.4 e= V and in some cases 1+ eV.
Sometimes more than 1.5 eV=C2=A0 when = plane wave basis sets are used.
Are there any papers that correla= tes activation energy to temperature.=C2=A0
If anyone has a scrip= t/methodology, can you please share it with me.

Th= anks in advance.
Vimal


--000000000000561ee305839a5547-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Mar 8 20:56:01 2019 From: "Eric V. Patterson eric.patterson-#-stonybrook.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Activation Energy Message-Id: <-53638-190308202003-7719-2py5r2DUxG7iFy65Kqjj0g]*[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Eric V. Patterson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0F9F7581-1094-4572-9BFC-3627A8D2B98B" Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 20:19:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Sent to CCL by: "Eric V. Patterson" [eric.patterson-$-stonybrook.edu] --Apple-Mail=_0F9F7581-1094-4572-9BFC-3627A8D2B98B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear Vimal, The rate constant and the activation energy or free energy of activation = are related by the Arrhenius equation and the Eyring equation, = respectively. These are easily found in any physical chemistry textbook = / Wikipedia. =46rom there, it is much less trivial. To know how fast a reaction = really is, one must know the rate law and concentrations of the species = in the rate law. Computational chemists rarely have the ability to = apply true experimental conditions to our simulations. Furthermore, a = computed activation barrier may easily have an error of =C2=B10.05 eV or = more. This will lead to an error in the absolute rate constant = approaching a full order of magnitude. For this reason, the ratio of = rate constants (the relative rates) are more typically discussed, since = it is hoped the errors cancel in the division. =20 However, it is certainly possible to put numbers into context. Consider = the simplest case of a unimolecular rate law and k determined from the = Eyring equation at 298 K. A barrier of ~0.4 eV gives a rate constant on = the order of 1E5 1/sec. That=E2=80=99s fast. Very fast. A barrier of = ~1 eV gives a rate constant on the order of 1E-5 1/sec. That=E2=80=99s = not nearly as slow as it might seem. A barrier of ~1.5 eV gives a rate = constant on the order of 1E-14 1/sec. That=E2=80=99s very slow. Now consider the half-lives of those three examples, which provides the = same information from a different perspective: ~1E-6 sec, ~1E4 sec, = ~1E13 sec. The first is still obviously very, very fast. This is = similar to the barrier to the chair flip in cyclohexane, which requires = cryogenic temperatures to inhibit. It is now a bit more clear that the = 1 eV barrier has a half life that is still perfectly reasonable if one = is willing to wait a few days for the reaction to complete. The 1.5 eV = barrier, though=E2=80=A6 A half life of about 1 million years is no = one=E2=80=99s idea of =E2=80=9Cfast=E2=80=9D except on a geologic or = cosmic timescale (all things are relative!). In summary, it is trivial to compute a unimolecular rate constant from = an activation barrier. After that, use the specifics of your system to = decide what is =E2=80=9Cfast=E2=80=9D and what isn=E2=80=99t. Cheers, Eric ---------------------------------------------------- Eric V. Patterson, PhD Director of Undergraduate Laboratories Senior Lecturer Stony Brook University Department of Chemistry 3400 SUNY Stony Brook, NY 11794-3400 465 Chemistry eric.patterson*o*stonybrook.edu https://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/chemistry/faculty/patterson.eric.html = = https://sites.google.com/a/stonybrook.edu/evpatterson = voice: (631) 632-7449 FAX: (631) 632-7960 > On Mar 8, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Jeya Vimalan jeyavimalan2k#gmail.com = wrote: >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > I have the following question. >=20 > What is the range of activation energy that can happen at room = temperature. > For example, in one paper i see 0.4 eV and in some cases 1+ eV. > Sometimes more than 1.5 eV when plane wave basis sets are used. > Are there any papers that correlates activation energy to temperature.=20= > If anyone has a script/methodology, can you please share it with me. >=20 > Thanks in advance. > Vimal >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0F9F7581-1094-4572-9BFC-3627A8D2B98B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dear = Vimal,

The rate = constant and the activation energy or free energy of activation are = related by the Arrhenius equation and the Eyring equation, respectively. =  These are easily found in any physical chemistry textbook / = Wikipedia.

=46ro= m there, it is much less trivial.  To know how fast a reaction = really is, one must know the rate law and concentrations of the species = in the rate law.  Computational chemists rarely have the ability to = apply true experimental conditions to our simulations. =  Furthermore, a computed activation barrier may easily have an = error of =C2=B10.05 eV or more.  This will lead to an error in the = absolute rate constant approaching a full order of magnitude.  For = this reason, the ratio of rate constants (the relative rates) are more = typically discussed, since it is hoped the errors cancel in the = division.  

However, it is certainly possible to put numbers into = context.  Consider the simplest case of a unimolecular rate law and = k determined from the Eyring equation at 298 K.  A barrier of ~0.4 = eV gives a rate constant on the order of 1E5 1/sec.  That=E2=80=99s = fast.  Very fast.  A barrier of ~1 eV gives a rate constant on = the order of 1E-5 1/sec.  That=E2=80=99s not nearly as slow as it = might seem.  A barrier of ~1.5 eV gives a rate constant on the = order of 1E-14 1/sec.  That=E2=80=99s very slow.

Now consider the = half-lives of those three examples, which provides the same information = > from a different perspective:  ~1E-6 sec, ~1E4 sec, ~1E13 sec. =  The first is still obviously very, very fast.  This is = similar to the barrier to the chair flip in cyclohexane, which requires = cryogenic temperatures to inhibit.  It is now a bit more clear that = the 1 eV barrier has a half life that is still perfectly reasonable if = one is willing to wait a few days for the reaction to complete. =  The 1.5 eV barrier, though=E2=80=A6  A half life of about 1 = million years is no one=E2=80=99s idea of =E2=80=9Cfast=E2=80=9D except = on a geologic or cosmic timescale (all things are relative!).

In summary, it is = trivial to compute a unimolecular rate constant from an activation = barrier.  After that, use the specifics of your system to decide = what is =E2=80=9Cfast=E2=80=9D and what isn=E2=80=99t.

Cheers,
Eric


----------------------------------------------------
Eric V. Patterson, PhD
Director of Undergraduate Laboratories
Senior = Lecturer

Stony Brook University
Department of = Chemistry
3400 SUNY
Stony  Brook, NY = 11794-3400

465 Chemistry
eric.patterson*o*stonybrook.edu

voice: (631) = 632-7449
FAX: (631) 632-7960






On Mar 8, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Jeya Vimalan jeyavimalan2k#gmail.com <owner-chemistry*o*ccl.net> wrote:

Dear All,

I= have the following question.

What is the range of activation energy = that can happen at room temperature.
For example, = in one paper i see 0.4 eV and in some cases 1+ eV.
Sometimes more than 1.5 eV  when plane wave basis sets = are used.
Are there any papers that correlates = activation energy to temperature. 
If anyone = has a script/methodology, can you please share it with me.

Thanks in = advance.
Vimal



= --Apple-Mail=_0F9F7581-1094-4572-9BFC-3627A8D2B98B--