From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Feb 9 00:53:00 2014 From: "Billy McCann thebillywayne[-]gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Macromodel: error generating interactions (MM3 force field ) Message-Id: <-49641-140209005101-22343-vOmPpP6GxNqDAzwcAwuqhw%a%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Billy McCann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2a9ca7b6cb304f1f2cee2 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 00:50:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Billy McCann [thebillywayne~~gmail.com] --001a11c2a9ca7b6cb304f1f2cee2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Heather. It doesn't sound like you have an actual "error", but that MM3 simply doesn't have the non-bonded parameters that your system requires. I have encountered this many times when using MM3, even in what may be considered "simple" systems, e.g. an amidoxime functional group. [If you're not familiar with force fields, they require certain numbers (parameters) for different "atom types." Coming up with these parameters in not a trivial exercise, especially with a force field such as MM3. And for every atom type, parameters must exist else the calculation simply cannot be performed.] I'm fairly familiar with MM3. I don't think that peptides were the focus of Allinger's work, but there may simply be some articles I haven't read. OPLS and Merck, on the other hand, definitely focused on peptides. However, MM3 parameters are not compatible with OPLS or MMFF; MM3 has a much more complex functional form. So the answer will never be to simply take OPLS or MMFF parameters and place them into MM3. (By the way, it may be worth investigating whether your software has implemented MM3 as Allinger intended. They wouldn't be the first to truncate some terms. Not in any way implying that Schrodinger has done this. Just a word from experience. Not all "MM3"s are created equal.) Carefully inspect your software's MM3 parameters and make sure that your software isn't simply "mis-typing" the atoms. If it's the case that it's correctly typing the atoms, yet is missing parameters, consider using OPLS or MMFF. The alternative would be to find MM3 atom types which are very similar to the ones you need and having your software use those parameters instead. Caveat emptor. Regards, -----------------------------------------[00(01|10)11] ------------------------------------------ Billy Wayne McCann, Ph.D. Google+ PGP Key irc://irc.freenode.net:bwayne MzM0LTcwMy0wMTIyCg== | base64 "A rich man will always desire what his wealth cannot acquire." ~ Faust (Goethe) ------------------------------------------[11(10|01)00]------- ----------------------------------- On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Heather Shelley sh.maeam**gmail.com < owner-chemistry#,#ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Heather Shelley" [sh.maeam..gmail.com] > Dear All: > > I am trying to submit a conformational search using macromodel > and the MM3 force field. The job will not run because when the program > tries to load the parameters from the force field I get a message saying: > INTFFC: No nonbonded params in force field for atom type 14 (C0) > INTFFC: No nonbonded params in force field for atom type 40 (N0) > INTFFC: FFSBST fails > UPDATE_INT: INTFFC fails > MINI: Error generating interactions > BTCHMN: ERROR GENERATING INTERACTION ARRAY; ABORTING > WARNING saving minimization structure but no list entry has been set. > > But the MMFFS and OPLS-2005 are fine.I look for those specific atoms listed > above, and I can still not find the problem. BTW, The structure is > protonated > dipeptide. > > Your help would be greatly appreciated, > Thank you, > > Heather Shelley > sh.maeam[a]gmail.com > Aarhus University> > > --001a11c2a9ca7b6cb304f1f2cee2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Heather.

It doesn't sound like you have an actual "er= ror", but that MM3 simply doesn't have the non-bonded parameters t= hat your system requires.=C2=A0 I have encountered this many times when usi= ng MM3, even in what may be considered "simple" systems, e.g. an = amidoxime functional group.=C2=A0 [If you're not familiar with force fi= elds, they require certain numbers (parameters) for different "atom ty= pes."=C2=A0 Coming up with these parameters in not a trivial exercise,= especially with a force field such as MM3.=C2=A0 And for every atom type, = parameters must exist else the calculation simply cannot be performed.]

= I'm fairly familiar with MM3.=C2=A0 I don't think that peptides wer= e the focus of Allinger's work, but there may simply be some articles I= haven't read. =C2=A0

= OPLS and Merck, on the other hand, definitely focused on peptides.

=
Howe= ver, MM3 parameters are not compatible with OPLS or MMFF; MM3 has a much mo= re complex functional form.=C2=A0 So the answer will never be to simply tak= e OPLS or MMFF parameters and place them into MM3.=C2=A0 (By the way, it ma= y be worth investigating whether your software has implemented MM3 as Allin= ger intended. They wouldn't be the first to truncate some terms. Not in= any way implying that Schrodinger has done this. Just a word from experien= ce.=C2=A0 Not all "MM3"s are created equal.)

= Carefully inspect your software's MM3 parameters and make sure that you= r software isn't simply "mis-typing" the atoms.=C2=A0
If it's the case that it's correctly typing the atoms, yet is miss= ing parameters, consider using OPLS or MMFF.=C2=A0 The alternative would be= to find=C2=A0 MM3 atom types which are very similar to the ones you need a= nd having your software use those parameters instead.=C2=A0 Caveat emptor. = =C2=A0


Regards, =C2=A0


-----------------------= ------------------[00(01|10)11]----------------------------------= --------

Billy Wayne McCann, Ph.D.
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"A rich man will always desire what his wealth cannot acquire." ~= Faust (Goethe)

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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Heather= Shelley sh.maeam**gmail.com <owner= -chemistry#,#ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Heather =C2=A0Shelley" [sh.maeam..gmail.com]
Dear All:

I am trying to submit a conformational search using macromodel
=C2=A0and the MM3 force field. The job will not run because when the progra= m
=C2=A0tries to load the parameters from the force field I get a message say= ing:
INTFFC: No nonbonded params in force field for atom type =C2=A014 (C0)
INTFFC: No nonbonded params in force field for atom type =C2=A040 (N0)
INTFFC: FFSBST fails
UPDATE_INT: INTFFC fails
MINI: Error generating interactions
BTCHMN: ERROR GENERATING INTERACTION ARRAY; ABORTING
WARNING saving minimization structure but no list entry has been set.

But the MMFFS and OPLS-2005 are fine.I look for those specific atoms listed=
above, and I can still not find the problem. BTW, The structure is protonat= ed
dipeptide.

Your help would be greatly appreciated,
Thank you,

Heather Shelley
sh.maeam[a]gmail.com
Aarhus University



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--001a11c2a9ca7b6cb304f1f2cee2-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Feb 9 10:52:01 2014 From: "Jan Halborg Jensen jhjensen{}chem.ku.dk" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Computational Highlights: January issue Message-Id: <-49642-140209054107-30237-wMe7Oitm/T2V7VoD8Vcidw#%#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Jan Halborg Jensen Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3960ACC4F7E1574EBB19AFC61B2389FDA36D5FDCP1KITMBX03WC02u_" Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:40:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Jan Halborg Jensen [jhjensen-,-chem.ku.dk] --_000_3960ACC4F7E1574EBB19AFC61B2389FDA36D5FDCP1KITMBX03WC02u_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The january issue of Computational Chemistry Highlights is out. CCH is an overlay journal tha= t identifies the most important papers in computational and theoretical che= mistry published in the last 1-2 years. CCH is not affiliated with any publ= isher: it is a free resource run by scientists for scientists. You can read= more about it here. Table of content for this issue features contributions from CCH editors Fra= n=E7ois-Xavier Coudert, Marcel Swart, Frank Jensen, Jan Jensen, and Steven = Bachrach: Cyclopropenyl Anion: An Energetically Nonaromatic Ion Bulk Liquid Water at Ambient Temperature and Pressure from MP2 Theory Equatorenes: Synthesis and Properties of Chiral Naphthalene, Phenanthrene, = Chrysene, and Pyrene Possessing Bis(1-adamantyl) Groups at the Peri-positio= n Electron correlation, zero-point vibrational and temperature effects in Nuc= lear Magnetic Resonance spectroscopy CP and BSSE Microscopic Insights into the NMR Relaxation-Based Protein Conformational E= ntropy Meter Popular highlights of 2013 Interested in more? There are many ways to subscribe to CCH updates. [https://images-blogger-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?url= =3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fi.creativecommons.org%2Fl%2Fby%2F4.0%2F88x31.png&container= =3Dblogger&gadget=3Da&rewriteMime=3Dimage%2F*] This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 --_000_3960ACC4F7E1574EBB19AFC61B2389FDA36D5FDCP1KITMBX03WC02u_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The january issue of Computational Chemistry Highlights is out.


CCH is an ove= rlay journal that identifies the most important papers in computat= ional and theoretical chemistry published in the last 1-2 years. CCH is not= affiliated with any publisher: it is a free resource run by scientists for scientists. You can read more about it here.


Table of content for this issue features contributions from CCH editors Fra= n=E7ois-Xavier Coudert, Marcel Swart, Frank Jensen, Jan Jensen, and Steven = Bachrach:


Cyclopropenyl Anion: An Energetically Nonaromatic Ion=







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