From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Apr 18 03:45:01 2013 From: "Frank Jensen frj.:.chem.au.dk" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: SV: CCL:G: Scanning potential energy along a normal mode Message-Id: <-48574-130418034343-2872-2Dd60tiueh6OGtTv/TBOtA],[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Frank Jensen Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D5BC00C0FB9AC34D9C8F4DC965C51689278B02BFSRVUNIMBX07unia_" Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:43:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Frank Jensen [frj=chem.au.dk] --_000_D5BC00C0FB9AC34D9C8F4DC965C51689278B02BFSRVUNIMBX07unia_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The harmonic frequencies are independent of the coordinates used for the an= alysis, but any finite displacement along the corresponding normal modes de= pends strongly on the coordinates used for the analysis. Essentially all st= andard programs use Cartesian coordinates, but these are usually poor for r= epresenting the actual vibrational motion for a non-trivial displacement. C= alculating the energy along a Cartesian normal mode displacement is unlikel= y to give an accurate picture of the vibrational potential along that norma= l mode. If you doubt that, try following the Cartesian version of the norma= l mode describing the rotation around the C -C bond in ethane, and you will= rapidly discover that it significantly alters the C-H bond distances as we= ll. Performing the vibrational analysis in e.g. internal coordinates will g= ive a much better representation for large displacements, but few programs = have that capability. Frank Frank Jensen Assoc. Prof. Dept. of Chemistry Aarhus University http://old.chem.au.dk/~frj > From: owner-chemistry+frj=3D=3Dchem.au.dk!A!ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+f= rj=3D=3Dchem.au.dk!A!ccl.net] On Behalf Of Jens Spanget-Larsen spanget**ruc.d= k Sent: 17. april 2013 19:14 To: Frank Jensen Subject: CCL:G: SV: CCL:G: Scanning potential energy along a normal mode Dear Devandra, I do not think Gaussian has a procedure to do this. Some time ago I perform= ed analyses of the so-called bell-clapper vibrational mode of 1,6,6a-trithi= apentalene by scanning along the normal coordinate. The energy was calculat= ed for a series of points corresponding to displacement of the nuclei along= the coordinate. You can find the results and some relationships in: Spange= t-Larsen & Andersen, PCCP 3, 908-16 (2001). Jens >--< ------------------------------------------------------ JENS SPANGET-LARSEN Office: +45 4674 2710 Dept. of Science (18.1) Fax: +45 4674 3011 Roskilde University Mobile: +45 2320 6246 P.O.Box 260 E-Mail: spanget++ruc.dk DK-4000 Roskilde, Denmark http://www.ruc.dk/~spanget ------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________ Fra: owner-chemistry+spanget=3D=3Druc.dk++ccl.net [owner-chemistry+spanget= =3D=3Druc.dk++ccl.net] p=E5 vegne af Devendra Mani devdmani10%a%gmail.com [= owner-chemistry++ccl.net] Sendt: 17. april 2013 15:32 Til: Jens Spanget-Larsen Emne: CCL:G: Scanning potential energy along a normal mode Dear CCLers, I want to scan potential energy along a particular normal mode of vibrat= ion . Is there anyway to do it using Gaussian or any other software ? Any kind of suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Devendra --_000_D5BC00C0FB9AC34D9C8F4DC965C51689278B02BFSRVUNIMBX07unia_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The harmonic frequencies = are independent of the coordinates used for the analysis, but any finite di= splacement along the corresponding normal modes depends strongly on the coordinates used for the analysis. Essentially all standar= d programs use Cartesian coordinates, but these are usually poor for repres= enting the actual vibrational motion for a non-trivial displacement. Calcul= ating the energy along a Cartesian normal mode displacement is unlikely to give an accurate picture of the vi= brational potential along that normal mode. If you doubt that, try followin= g the Cartesian version of the normal mode describing the rotation around t= he C –C bond in ethane, and you will rapidly discover that it significantly alters the C-H bond distances = as well. Performing the vibrational analysis in e.g. internal coordinates w= ill give a much better representation for large displacements, but few prog= rams have that capability.

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Frank

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Frank Jensen
Assoc. Prof.
Dept. of Chemistry
Aarhus University
http://old.chem.au= .dk/~frj

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From: owner-ch= emistry+frj=3D=3Dchem.au.dk!A!ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+frj=3D= =3Dchem.au.dk!A!ccl.net] On Behalf Of Jens Spanget-Larsen spanget**ruc.dk
Sent: 17. april 2013 19:14
To: Frank Jensen
Subject: CCL:G: SV: CCL:G: Scanning potential energy along a normal = mode

 

Dear Devandra,

I do not think Gaussian has a procedure to do this. Some time ago = I performed analyses of the so-called bell-clapper vibrational mode of 1,6,= 6a-trithiapentalene by scanning along the normal coordinate. The energy was calculated for a series of points cor= responding to displacement of the nuclei along the coordinate. You can= find the results and some relationships in: Spanget-Larsen & Ande= rsen, PCCP 3, 908-16 (2001).

Jens >--<

 

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  Dept. of Science (18.1)     Fax: &= nbsp;       +45 4674 3011

  Roskilde University      &nbs= p;  Mobile:      +45 2320 6246

  P.O.Box 260        =          E-Mail:   &= nbsp; spanget++ruc.dk

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Fra: owner-chemistry+spanget= =3D=3Druc.dk++ccl.net [owner-chemistry+spanget=3D=3Druc.dk++ccl.net] p=E5 vegne af D= evendra Mani devdmani10%a%gmail.com [owner-chemistry++ccl.net]
Sendt: 17. april 2013 15:32
Til: Jens Spanget-Larsen
Emne: CCL:G: Scanning potential energy along a normal mode

Dear CCLers, =

   I want to s= can potential energy along a particular normal mode of vibration . Is there= anyway to do it using Gaussian or any other software ?

Any kind of suggestions would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,

Devendra

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--_000_D5BC00C0FB9AC34D9C8F4DC965C51689278B02BFSRVUNIMBX07unia_-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Apr 18 10:41:00 2013 From: "sai sachin lingampally sachinlingampally(!)gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: modredundant keyword Message-Id: <-48575-130418081806-11547-Bred89wwmnev8sg/AZCy/A[a]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "sai sachin lingampally" Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:18:05 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "sai sachin lingampally" [sachinlingampally- -gmail.com] please tell me along with an example, how to use 'modredundant' keyword along with QST3 option, for calculation of transition states of organic reactions. Name: SaiSachin Lingampally email:sachinlingampally~!~gmail.com