From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Dec 7 01:20:00 2012 From: "Jacopo Sgrignani sgrigna- -gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Heme Cofactor Message-Id: <-47979-121207011300-24952-eKs0HrPPeKh2L1eJ1ZBKBA{}server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Jacopo Sgrignani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554de960c25c504d03d1bef Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 07:12:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Jacopo Sgrignani [sgrigna^_^gmail.com] --bcaec554de960c25c504d03d1bef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Norberto Are you sure about the charge and the protonation of heme? Why +2? Regards Jacopo Il giorno 07/dic/2012 01:18, "Norberto Monteiro norbertokv!^!gmail.com" < owner-chemistry]|[ccl.net> ha scritto: > > Sent to CCL by: "Norberto Monteiro" [norbertokv~!~gmail.com] > Dear Subscribers, > I have a doubt about the heme cofactor. I tried to optimize it using > B3LYP/6-311++g(d,p), and charge +2 and had no success. The basis set is > right? There is another kind of base I can use to optimize their geometry?> > > --bcaec554de960c25c504d03d1bef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Norberto
Are you sure about the charge and the protonation of heme?
Why +2?

Regards

Jacopo

Il giorno 07/dic/2012 01:18, "Norberto Mont= eiro norbertokv!^!gmail.com" <owner-chemistry]|[ccl.net> ha s= critto:

Sent to CCL by: "Norberto =A0Monteiro" [norbertokv~!~gmail.com]
Dear Subscribers,
I have a doubt about the heme cofactor. I tried to optimize it using B3LYP/= 6-311++g(d,p), and charge +2 and had no success. The basis set is right? Th= ere is another kind of base I can use to optimize their geometry?



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--bcaec554de960c25c504d03d1bef-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Dec 7 09:01:00 2012 From: "Johannes Johansson johjo76||gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Heme Cofactor Message-Id: <-47980-121207025100-26250-Mn3ln44Y9vcWGnItmc3WoQ~!~server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Johannes Johansson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51f96c381c93004d03e79e3 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 08:50:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Johannes Johansson [johjo76,gmail.com] --bcaec51f96c381c93004d03e79e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear Norberto, two questions: 1) Why protonation state +2? The doubly deprotonated porphine ligand in heme and other metal-porphine complexes has charge -2, which makes (for example) a Fe(II)-porphine complex electrically neutral. Maybe you are trying to model porphine under acidic conditions, a doubly protonated state? 2) Concerning the basis set. The normal procedure would be to use 6-31G or 6-31+G(d) for geometry optimization, and then to use 6-311++G(d,p) for single point calculation of the energy. Optimization at the 6-311++G(d,p) level is computationally "expensive" (large no basis functions, SCF convergence problems) and typically it does not have any significance for neither geometry nor final energies, as long as the energies are calculated at the 6-311++G(d,p) level on a 6-31+G(d) geometry. Good luck! *Johannes* -- Adam Johannes Johansson Ph.D., M.Sc. Linkedin: http://se.linkedin.com/pub/adam-johannes-johansson/22/209/395 ************************************************************************************** Read the biography: Inga Fischer-Hjalmars (1918-2008) - Swedish Pharmacist, Humanist and Pioneer Quantum Chemist: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed300024g ************************************************************************************** --bcaec51f96c381c93004d03e79e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Norberto,

two questions:

1= ) Why protonation state +2? The doubly deprotonated porphine ligand in heme= and other metal-porphine complexes has charge -2, which makes (for example= ) a Fe(II)-porphine complex electrically neutral. Maybe you are trying to m= odel porphine under acidic conditions, a doubly protonated state?

2) Concerning the basis set. The normal procedure would be t= o use 6-31G or 6-31+G(d) for geometry optimization, and then to use 6-311++= G(d,p) for single point calculation of the energy. Optimization at the=C2= =A06-311++G(d,p)=C2=A0level is computationally "expensive" (large= no basis functions, SCF convergence problems) and typically it does not ha= ve any significance for neither geometry nor final energies, as long as the= energies are calculated at the=C2=A06-311++G(d,p) level on a=C2=A06-31+G(d= ) geometry.

Good luck! Johannes

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--bcaec51f96c381c93004d03e79e3-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Dec 7 16:44:00 2012 From: "Ivo Jacobs jacobs.ivo._._.gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Strange energies for Gaussian IRC calculation Message-Id: <-47981-121207153718-1704-hTitDK8LdE2528rtmp+xtg_._server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Ivo Jacobs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:37:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Ivo Jacobs [jacobs.ivo.~~.gmail.com] Ah, that does the trick. Must be a bug. Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Ivo On 12/3/12 4:23 PM, Arne Dieckmann adieckma*gmail.com wrote: > Sent to CCL by: Arne Dieckmann [adieckma * gmail.com] > Hi, > > this is an interesting error. What happens if you specify the basis set and pseudopotential information again in your IRC input and just read the geometry and force constants from your checkpoint file? > > > Cheers, > Arne > > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Ivo Jacobs jacobs.ivo]_[gmail.com wrote: > >> Sent to CCL by: Ivo Jacobs [jacobs.ivo,+,gmail.com] >> Hello all, >> >> After some time I had the opportunity to investigate my issue (below) further, and I found that the problem is that the pseudopotential information is not loaded from the checkpoint file whenever I do an IRC calculation. Because of that I basically have a lot more electrons, and my energy becomes completely different. If I add the pseudopotential manually, with pseudo=read, the same happens. >> Is this a known issue for G03? Is there a way around it? >> >> Cheers, >> Ivo >> >> >> On 11/10/12 9:42 PM, Ivo Jacobs jacobs.ivo^gmail.com wrote: >>> Sent to CCL by: "Ivo Jacobs" [jacobs.ivo[a]gmail.com] >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have started to do some IRC calculations with Gaussian '03, but it gives me very strange results. >>> I have previously located a transition state, done the frequency analysis, and it's a true saddle point, energy is -1706 Hartree. For the IRC calculation, my input looks like this: >>> >>> %NProcShared=4 >>> %NProcLinda=1 >>> %mem=2000MB >>> %chk=checkpnt.chk >>> #P TEST IRC=(FORWARD,RCFC) B3LYP CHKBASIS GEOM=CHECKPOINT GUESS=READ >>> >>> Title >>> >>> 0 1 >>> >>> This initially seems to work very slowly (SCF needs more than 40 cycles to converge, which is much more than I have typically seen before), but more problematically, the energies are wildly different (-3127 Hartree on the first cycle, same order of magnitude for the later ones). If I do a single point energy starting from the original transition state checkpoint file, the SCF finishes in one cycle with -1706 Hartree, so the problem is not in the checkpoint file. I've tried to repeat the IRC calculation with CalcAll or with CalcFC, and this gives the same problem. Also without using "Guess=Read" the same result is obtained. It looks to me like the initial reading of the guess fails for some reason. Anybody any idea what is going on here? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Ivo Jacobshttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtml> > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Dec 7 19:48:00 2012 From: "Eric Scerri scerri-.-chem.ucla.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: ISPC meeting 2013 Message-Id: <-47982-121207192354-22865-RCJJW6YIH2T2Zco3kzQUeA * server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Eric Scerri Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AE0135A4-1F5E-451E-9BEE-A6AC2DCFE1A4" Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 13:59:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Sent to CCL by: Eric Scerri [scerri]*[chem.ucla.edu] --Apple-Mail=_AE0135A4-1F5E-451E-9BEE-A6AC2DCFE1A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The International Society for the Philosophy of Chemistry (ISPC)-Summer = Symposium 2013 will be held from Wednesday July 31 till Friday August 2, = 2013 in Montevideo, Uruguay. Details to follow. regards, eric scerri ________________________________________________________ =20 ericscerri.com On Twitter: =20 https://twitter.com/#!/ericscerri --Apple-Mail=_AE0135A4-1F5E-451E-9BEE-A6AC2DCFE1A4 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2EF06301-1C86-4925-ACC1-974FA061CDE3" --Apple-Mail=_2EF06301-1C86-4925-ACC1-974FA061CDE3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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