From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sat Oct 6 11:32:00 2012 From: "Gkourmpis, Thomas Thomas.Gkourmpis a borealisgroup.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Polymer Construction Message-Id: <-47729-121006031609-19923-r/QrF3YEqxwUle6vJ3GFsg a server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Gkourmpis, Thomas" Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1F6EE93266D93848A521EDB3F2B53E303580B535CMS02mignetwork_" Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:15:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Gkourmpis, Thomas" [Thomas.Gkourmpis,,borealisgroup.com] --_000_1F6EE93266D93848A521EDB3F2B53E303580B535CMS02mignetwork_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saravanan Hi I think we are talking about two completely different things here. If you w= ant to construct a polymer crystal then the method offered by GaussView is = perfectly fine. If you want to construct an amorphous polymer (what you cal= l 3D structure) then you cannot use GaussView as this will create only crys= talline systems. In the latter case you need to construct the polymer "by h= and" or using alternative software. Now regarding the problems you have with the PBC tutorials I would recommen= d you don't waste your time and look for alternative software. VESTA is a g= ood possibility http://jp-minerals.org/vesta/en/ and you can save the outpu= ts as PDBs, but I am sure there are other packages (free or otherwise avail= able). I hope this helps Thomas > From: owner-chemistry+thomas.gkourmpis=3D=3Dborealisgroup.com!^!ccl.net [mail= to:owner-chemistry+thomas.gkourmpis=3D=3Dborealisgroup.com!^!ccl.net] On Beha= lf Of Sharan sara180681]-[gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:50 PM To: Gkourmpis, Thomas Subject: CCL:G: Polymer Construction Hi Gkourmpis Thomas At first i would like to thank, for you reply. In Gauss View using Periodic Boundary Conditions (PBC) one can construct Po= lymer unit cell, after which super cell is constructed. This resembles the = whole polymer, is what my understanding. I don't think so the constrain of,= number of repeating units comes into picture. But my problem is the steps given for building the unit cell is not clear t= o me. There are 20 steps, using these steps i want to construct a polymer o= f my interest. When you say "construct by hand are you referring to PBC or just regular 3D= structure of a monomer? With regards Saravanan On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Gkourmpis, Thomas Thomas.Gkourmpis##boreali= sgroup.com > wrote: Hi Regarding the polymer in Gaussian the question is how many repeating units = you need. If you need only a few units and each is small you can always con= struct it by hand in GaussView. If on the other hand you want a "proper" ch= ain with many units then you'll be better off if you use any of the builder= s used in Molecular Dynamics packages and construct your system there. Then= you can convert it to any file that Gaussian can read and use it as you se= e fit. Have I answered your question or I misunderstood something? Thomas > From: owner-chemistry+thomas.gkourmpis=3D=3Dborealisgroup.com-x-ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+thomas.gkourmpis=3D=3Dborealisgroup.com-x-ccl.net<= http://borealisgroup.com-x-ccl.net>] On Behalf Of Sharan sara180681%%gmail.= com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: Gkourmpis, Thomas Subject: CCL:G: Polymer Construction Hi Can somebody help me in constructing Polymeric unit in Gaussian for optimiz= ation. I am not clear on constructing the Translational vector for polymeri= c unit. I went through the example given in Gaussian 03, I am not clear on = few fixed values supplied in the examples in constructing the polymeric uni= t. 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Saravanan= Hi

 

I think we are talking about two complete= ly different things here. If you want to construct a polymer crystal then t= he method offered by GaussView is perfectly fine. If you want to construct = an amorphous polymer (what you call 3D structure) then you cannot use Gauss= View as this will create only crystalline systems. In the latter case you n= eed to construct the polymer “by hand” or using alternative sof= tware.

 

Now regarding the problems you have wi= th the PBC tutorials I would recommend you don’t waste your time and = look for alternative software. VESTA is a good possibility http://jp-minerals.org/vesta/en/ and you c= an save the outputs as PDBs, but I am sure there are other packages (free o= r otherwise available).

 

I hope this helps

Thomas

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To: Gkourmpis,= Thomas
Subject: CCL:G: Polymer Construction

 

= Hi Gkourmpis Thomas

 

At first i would like to thank,= for you reply.

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In Gauss View using Periodic Bound= ary Conditions (PBC) one can construct Polymer unit cell, after which super= cell is constructed. This resembles the whole polymer, is what my understa= nding. I don't think so the constrain of, number of repeating units comes i= nto picture.

 

 

But my problem is the steps given for building the unit cell= is not clear to me. There are 20 steps, using these steps i want to c= onstruct a polymer of my interest.

 

When you say &qu= ot;construct by hand are you referring to PBC or just regular 3D structure = of a monomer?

 

With regards

Saravanan

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Gkourmpis= , Thomas Thomas.Gkourmpis##borealisgro= up.com <owner-chemistry=CCl.net> wrote:

Hi

 

Regarding = the polymer in Gaussian the question is how many repeating units you need. = If you need only a few units and each is small you can always construct it = by hand in GaussView. If on the other hand you want a “proper” = chain with many units then you’ll be better off if you use any of the= builders used in Molecular Dynamics packages and construct your system the= re. Then you can convert it to any file that Gaussian can read and use it a= s you see fit.

&nbs= p;

Have I answered yo= ur question or I misunderstood something?

 

= Thomas

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:59 AMTo: Gkourmpis, Thomas
Subject: CCL:G: Polymer Constructi= on

 

Hi

 

Can somebody help me in constructing Polymeric unit in Gaussian for op= timization. I am not clear on constructing the Translational vector for pol= ymeric unit. I went through the example given in Gaussian 03, I am not= clear on few fixed values supplied in the examples in constructing the pol= ymeric unit.

 

Some helping hand will be greateful.. thanks in advance.

 

With best re= gards

 

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