From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 08:54:00 2011 From: "Peter Damian Jarowski p.d.jarowski^^^surrey.ac.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Message-Id: <-45837-111108040416-21447-gwXdYYTne+nM6r235VBnnQ .. server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Peter Damian Jarowski" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 04:04:05 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Peter Damian Jarowski" [p.d.jarowski _ surrey.ac.uk] Dear CClers: I was brought up with Gaussian as my main computational chemistry software package during my Ph. D. and postdoc. Now I am an independent and can no longer afford it. So obviously I have been investigating all kinds of freeware developed by academics. I want to do something very simple that Gaussian could get done in 20 minutes but have not found a stable implementation of it in any software package yet. I simply want to do a semi-empirical relaxed surface scan of a dihedral and a bond length to generate a 2D surface. I have installed NWChem/python, GAMESS, and Firefly. Apparently NWChem and GAMESS can not do this kind of thing and Firefly does not have the right implementation as of yet but will in version 8.0. I looked through the manuals of Q-chem and mopac and there appears to be no implementation there either. Turbomole might do it, but it looks complicated and its proprietary anyway. Any suggestions as to some freeware that can do this kind of thing easily and with stability. I am tired of learning the nuances of each program's input file only to find that it doesn't really do what I want to do. Thanks, P.S. Gaussian is a robust program, but what I have found is that many of these other programs seem faster. Kudos. I appreciate the effort of the developers and I look forward to continuing developments. From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 09:29:00 2011 From: "Vel Murugan G murugan4chemistry],[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: TDDFT calculation for a metal complex Message-Id: <-45838-111108090238-21689-2HvhIEUMNt6hhT6fjhJV6w:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Vel Murugan G" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:02:34 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Vel Murugan G" [murugan4chemistry_+_gmail.com] Dear CClers I am doing a TDDFT calculation for a metal complex using the gen b3lyp (lanl2dz for metal and 6-31g* for remaining atoms) optimized geometry. The calculation ended with the following message. Spurious integrated density or basis function: NE= 384 NElCor= 0 El error=2.70D+01 rel=7.03D-02 Tolerance=1.00D-03 Shell 6 absolute error=6.22D-10 Tolerance=1.20D-02 Shell 2 signed error=5.59D-13 Tolerance=1.00D-01 Inaccurate quadrature in CalDSu. Error termination via Lnk1e in C:\G03W\l801.exe at Tue Nov 08 00:09:06 2011 My input file keywords are as follows: #p td=(nstates=10) b3lyp gen pseudo=read scf=(maxcyc=400) Please suggest me the solution. Thanks in advance. Velmurugan G From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 10:03:00 2011 From: "Adam Kubas ad.kubas(0)gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Message-Id: <-45839-111108093116-21001-WE2mu+tJVM9GNR4648WXaA*server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Adam Kubas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:31:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Adam Kubas [ad.kubas#,#gmail.com] Dear Peter, I think ORCA can do this job: http://www.thch.uni-bonn.de/tc/orca/ Adam Kubas From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 10:38:00 2011 From: "=?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen_Gr=E4fenstein?= jurgen===chem.gu.se" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: TDDFT calculation for a metal complex Message-Id: <-45840-111108100054-16806-HkmEub7IhojocbVikFbplg[-]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: =?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen_Gr=E4fenstein?= Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:58:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: =?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen_Gr=E4fenstein?= [jurgen,+,chem.gu.se] Dear Velmurugan, You may need to specify Int=(Grid=UltraFine) to increase accuracy in the numerical XC-energy integrations. Best regards, Jürgen ________________________________________ > From: owner-chemistry+jurgen.grafenstein==chem.gu.se(!)ccl.net [owner-chemistry+jurgen.grafenstein==chem.gu.se(!)ccl.net] On Behalf Of Vel Murugan G murugan4chemistry],[gmail.com [owner-chemistry(!)ccl.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 15:02 To: GrÀfenstein, JÃŒrgen Subject: CCL:G: TDDFT calculation for a metal complex Sent to CCL by: "Vel Murugan G" [murugan4chemistry_+_gmail.com] Dear CClers I am doing a TDDFT calculation for a metal complex using the gen b3lyp (lanl2dz for metal and 6-31g* for remaining atoms) optimized geometry. The calculation ended with the following message. Spurious integrated density or basis function: NE= 384 NElCor= 0 El error=2.70D+01 rel=7.03D-02 Tolerance=1.00D-03 Shell 6 absolute error=6.22D-10 Tolerance=1.20D-02 Shell 2 signed error=5.59D-13 Tolerance=1.00D-01 Inaccurate quadrature in CalDSu. Error termination via Lnk1e in C:\G03W\l801.exe at Tue Nov 08 00:09:06 2011 My input file keywords are as follows: #p td=(nstates=10) b3lyp gen pseudo=read scf=(maxcyc=400) Please suggest me the solution. Thanks in advance. Velmurugan Ghttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 11:13:01 2011 From: "G. Gopakumar gopakumar.gopinadhan%a%googlemail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Message-Id: <-45841-111108095529-11911-RSfF1FVInX/bKweCTc2DOA ~ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "G. Gopakumar" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758b1ccf2e33604b13a5a73 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:54:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "G. Gopakumar" [gopakumar.gopinadhan!=!googlemail.com] --00151758b1ccf2e33604b13a5a73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, If Gaussian can do it in 20 mnts, I suppose many other programs could do it as well, some of them even will be faster. For a 2D surface, one can simply do a series of constrained geometry optimizations (on the grid points) and export the energy data to gnuplot. You can simply write a shell script to automate the whole calculation (this way at-least one knows what is really going on) As a free program, Gamess can do it! All other program packages you mentioned could also do it. About robustness: well, it is a different topic in ccl and I better not comment on that ;-) Best wishes Gopakumar On 8 November 2011 10:04, Peter Damian Jarowski p.d.jarowski^^^surrey.ac.uk wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Peter Damian Jarowski" [p.d.jarowski _ surrey.ac.uk] > Dear CClers: > > I was brought up with Gaussian as my main computational chemistry software > package during my Ph. > D. and postdoc. Now I am an independent and can no longer afford it. So > obviously I have been > investigating all kinds of freeware developed by academics. I want to do > something very simple that > Gaussian could get done in 20 minutes but have not found a stable > implementation of it in any > software package yet. I simply want to do a semi-empirical relaxed surface > scan of a dihedral and a > bond length to generate a 2D surface. I have installed NWChem/python, > GAMESS, and Firefly. > Apparently NWChem and GAMESS can not do this kind of thing and Firefly > does not have the right > implementation as of yet but will in version 8.0. I looked through the > manuals of Q-chem and mopac > and there appears to be no implementation there either. Turbomole might do > it, but it looks > complicated and its proprietary anyway. > > Any suggestions as to some freeware that can do this kind of thing easily > and with stability. I am tired > of learning the nuances of each program's input file only to find that it > doesn't really do what I want to > do. > > Thanks, > > P.S. Gaussian is a robust program, but what I have found is that many of > these other programs seem > faster. Kudos. I appreciate the effort of the developers and I look > forward to continuing developments.> > > --00151758b1ccf2e33604b13a5a73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

=A0 If Gaussian can do it in 20 mnts, I suppose many other progr= ams could
do it as well, some of them even will be faster. For a 2D sur= face, one can
simply do a series of constrained geometry optimizations = (on the grid points)
and export the energy data to gnuplot. You can simply write a shell script =
to automate the whole calculation (this way at-least one knows what is = really
going on) As a free program, Gamess can do it! All other program= packages
you mentioned could also do it. About robustness: well, it is a different t= opic
in ccl and I better not comment on that ;-)

Best wishes
=
Gopakumar



On 8 November 2011 = 10:04, Peter Damian Jarowski p.d.jarowski^^^surrey.ac.uk <owner-chemistry**ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Peter Damian Jarowski" [p.d.jarowski _ surrey.ac.uk]
Dear CClers:

I was brought up with Gaussian as my main computational chemistry software = package during my Ph.
D. and postdoc. Now I am an independent and can no longer afford it. So obv= iously I have been
investigating all kinds of freeware developed by academics. I want to do so= mething very simple that
Gaussian could get done in 20 minutes but have not found a stable implement= ation of it in any
software package yet. I simply want to do a semi-empirical relaxed surface = scan of a dihedral and a
bond length to generate a 2D surface. I have installed NWChem/python, GAMES= S, and Firefly.
Apparently NWChem and GAMESS can not do this kind of thing and Firefly does= not have the right
implementation as of yet but will in version 8.0. I looked through the manu= als of Q-chem and mopac
and there appears to be no implementation there either. Turbomole might do = it, but it looks
complicated and its proprietary anyway.

Any suggestions as to some freeware that can do this kind of thing easily a= nd with stability. I am tired
of learning the nuances of each program's input file only to find that = it doesn't really do what I want to
do.

Thanks,

P.S. Gaussian is a robust program, but what I have found is that many of th= ese other programs seem
faster. Kudos. I appreciate the effort of the developers and I look forward= to continuing developments.



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Message-Id: <-45843-111108105010-27493-EMJEADdNSq4KTKuHGyzsGg:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:49:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam(-)kressworks.com] In what sense can Firefly not do the 2D relaxed PES? I have used the RSURFACE keyword to do these. What are you unable to do? Also, be care when commenting on Gaussian comparisons with other programs. They will take action against you if you do this and they can find a way to act against you. They have an extensive history of this type of boorish behavior. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com---ccl.net > [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com---ccl.net] On Behalf > Of Peter Damian Jarowski p.d.jarowski^^^surrey.ac.uk > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:04 AM > To: Kress, Jim > Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? > > > Sent to CCL by: "Peter Damian Jarowski" [p.d.jarowski _ surrey.ac.uk] Dear > CClers: > > I was brought up with Gaussian as my main computational chemistry > software package during my Ph. > D. and postdoc. Now I am an independent and can no longer afford it. So > obviously I have been investigating all kinds of freeware developed by > academics. I want to do something very simple that Gaussian could get done > in 20 minutes but have not found a stable implementation of it in any > software package yet. I simply want to do a semi-empirical relaxed surface > scan of a dihedral and a bond length to generate a 2D surface. I have installed > NWChem/python, GAMESS, and Firefly. > Apparently NWChem and GAMESS can not do this kind of thing and Firefly > does not have the right implementation as of yet but will in version 8.0. I > looked through the manuals of Q-chem and mopac and there appears to be > no implementation there either. Turbomole might do it, but it looks > complicated and its proprietary anyway. > > Any suggestions as to some freeware that can do this kind of thing easily and > with stability. I am tired of learning the nuances of each program's input file > only to find that it doesn't really do what I want to do. > > Thanks, > > P.S. Gaussian is a robust program, but what I have found is that many of > these other programs seem faster. Kudos. I appreciate the effort of the > developers and I look forward to continuing developments.> From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 12:58:00 2011 From: "Ken Butenhof Ken.Butenhof[]accelrys.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Message-Id: <-45844-111108105214-29563-q/2dzDmchTYf9CTnWcad8g!A!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Ken Butenhof Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:51:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Ken Butenhof [Ken.Butenhof[A]accelrys.com] I have had good luck doing exactly this using the beta version of Firefly (v 8). I'm not sure how far away this is from final release but you may want to contact Alex Granovsky for availability. gran##classic.chem.msu.su -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+kenb==accelrys.com##ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+kenb==accelrys.com##ccl.net] On Behalf Of Peter Damian Jarowski p.d.jarowski^^^surrey.ac.uk Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:04 AM To: Ken Butenhof Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Sent to CCL by: "Peter Damian Jarowski" [p.d.jarowski _ surrey.ac.uk] Dear CClers: I was brought up with Gaussian as my main computational chemistry software package during my Ph. D. and postdoc. Now I am an independent and can no longer afford it. So obviously I have been investigating all kinds of freeware developed by academics. I want to do something very simple that Gaussian could get done in 20 minutes but have not found a stable implementation of it in any software package yet. I simply want to do a semi-empirical relaxed surface scan of a dihedral and a bond length to generate a 2D surface. I have installed NWChem/python, GAMESS, and Firefly. Apparently NWChem and GAMESS can not do this kind of thing and Firefly does not have the right implementation as of yet but will in version 8.0. I looked through the manuals of Q-chem and mopac and there appears to be no implementation there either. Turbomole might do it, but it looks complicated and its proprietary anyway. Any suggestions as to some freeware that can do this kind of thing easily and with stability. I am tired of learning the nuances of each program's input file only to find that it doesn't really do what I want to do. Thanks, P.S. Gaussian is a robust program, but what I have found is that many of these other programs seem faster. Kudos. I appreciate the effort of the developers and I look forward to continuing developments.http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 13:33:00 2011 From: "Andrei Potapov asp99\a/yandex.ru" To: CCL Subject: CCL: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Message-Id: <-45845-111108113828-29386-0T/10aKR91ITypyo7sFl7A[-]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Andrei Potapov Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:38:18 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Andrei Potapov [asp99[a]yandex.ru] Unfortunately, it can't. I came across the same problem recently - relaxed surface scans with 2 or more coordinates and could not find the right software. ORCA can only scan one coordinate in one job. The solution could be creatig a series of job files with different values for one coordinate and scaning the other. But if more than 2 coordinates have to be scaned the number of files to be manually processed becomes to large. Hope someone will suggest a freeware tool for cordinate scans. Andrei 08.11.2011, 18:31, "Adam Kubas ad.kubas(0)gmail.com" : > Sent to CCL by: Adam Kubas [ad.kubas#,#gmail.com] > Dear Peter, > > I think ORCA can do this job: > http://www.thch.uni-bonn.de/tc/orca/ > > Adam Kubas> ššššššhttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message> ššššššhttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message> ššššššhttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtml> ššššššhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 14:08:01 2011 From: "Billy McCann bwm0005 : tigermail.auburn.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Manual Work out Message-Id: <-45846-111108111332-25829-Ytgnc2ok7/q3WsmzsFq7Ug!A!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Billy McCann Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9190392422E486449F1E15C0A122B1F109FFF622CH1PRD0202MB114_" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:13:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Billy McCann [bwm0005**tigermail.auburn.edu] --_000_9190392422E486449F1E15C0A122B1F109FFF622CH1PRD0202MB114_ Content-Type: 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Message-Id: <-45847-111108135256-7962-3LXKy+swEPI/4NpqR8+LFQ[-]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Adam Kubas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:52:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Adam Kubas [ad.kubas{=}gmail.com] Dear Andrei, you are right. Only unrelaxed scans with more than one parameter are supported. Best regards, Adam From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 15:45:00 2011 From: "Henry Martinez hmartine\a/gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: TDDFT calculation Manual Message-Id: <-45848-111108154334-19045-slb1eHxcP5Gleo4bsz58YA*o*server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Henry Martinez" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:43:30 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Henry Martinez" [hmartine/a\gmail.com] Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good manual for TDDFT calculations (to use with Gaussian) than help me to take the most information possible from a TDDFT output file? I have searched in google this but nothing complete or good. thanks a lot for the help From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Nov 8 16:20:00 2011 From: "P.D.Jarowski|surrey.ac.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Message-Id: <-45849-111108155237-28399-WX+Gj2xr7YtQDCsHIKW0fQ-,-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Content-Language: en Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CADF46EC2B06pj0013surreyacuk_" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:51:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: [P.D.Jarowski!A!surrey.ac.uk] --_000_CADF46EC2B06pj0013surreyacuk_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello: Thanks for your reply. I am not afraid of Gaussian, 'fear itself' and all t= hat. Anyway, I described their software as 'robust.'. I have trouble with the stability of the implementation. If I want to gener= ate 200 points on a grid I need to be sure that the calculation will comple= te. Firefly has been unstable so far. I post my input below. If you could h= elp that would be great. You will notice that I haven't even added the seco= nd coordinate yet. It will be the bond length at the center of the dihedral= scan: $CONTRL SCFTYP=3DRHF RUNTYP=3Drsurface NZVAR=3D84 COORD=3DCART ICHARG=3D0 = MULT=3D1 MAXIT=3D10000 INTTYP=3DHONDO ICUT=3D9 ITOL=3D20 $END $SYSTEM TIMLIM=3D500 MEMORY=3D30000000 $END $SCF NCONV=3D4 $END $GUESS GUESS=3DHUCKEL $END $BASIS GBASIS=3DAM1 $END $STATPT NSTEP=3D10000 DXMAX=3D0.3 OPTTOL=3D1d-5 $END $SCF SOSCF=3D.F. DIIS=3D.T. $END $ZMAT dlc=3D.t. auto=3D.t. scan=3D.t. autofv=3D.t. IFZMAT(1)=3D3,14,11,10,= 9 HBOND=3D0 CNVTOL=3D1d-6 DLCTOL=3D1d-7 IFDMOD=3D2 ORTTOL=3D1d-7 $END $SURF ndisp1=3D200 disp1=3D1.8000 orig1=3D180.0 REUSE=3D.t. $END $DATA DMA_CCH-DCVCl C1 C 6.0 1.122418 1.517544 -0.193657 C 6.0 2.444119 1.415004 0.159467 C 6.0 3.196169 0.227183 -0.127532 C 6.0 2.515276 -0.841094 -0.796274 C 6.0 1.191214 -0.730221 -1.142772 C 6.0 0.446297 0.451531 -0.854594 N 7.0 4.516093 0.120060 0.223990 C 6.0 5.248228 -1.089381 -0.046123 C 6.0 -0.863711 0.545219 -1.199052 C 6.0 -2.114688 0.518951 -1.455483 C 6.0 -3.123750 -0.220676 -0.528857 Cl 17.0 -2.368613 -1.769058 -0.130959 C 6.0 5.186595 1.206364 0.887636 C 6.0 -4.436061 -0.057431 -1.098883 C 6.0 -4.962743 -1.097253 -1.873530 N 7.0 -5.382753 -1.969524 -2.527234 C 6.0 -5.157183 1.133424 -0.956011 N 7.0 -5.753070 2.130057 -0.837720 H 1.0 -3.352921 0.431816 0.352618 H 1.0 -2.597284 0.926121 -2.362611 H 1.0 0.679841 -1.569252 -1.647699 H 1.0 0.560182 2.438525 0.036413 H 1.0 3.049605 -1.774137 -1.034984 H 1.0 2.925389 2.260639 0.674723 H 1.0 4.697836 1.420209 1.877258 H 1.0 6.262486 0.945589 1.067705 H 1.0 5.144954 2.133973 0.253815 H 1.0 5.286556 -1.280338 -1.153369 H 1.0 6.298110 -1.002073 0.338850 H 1.0 4.754006 -1.964866 0.457292 $END On 11/8/11 3:49 PM, "Jim Kress ccl_nospam]_[kressworks.com" wrote: Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam(-)kressworks.com] In what sense can Firefly not do the 2D relaxed PES? I have used the RSURFACE keyword to do these. What are you unable to do? Also, be care when commenting on Gaussian comparisons with other programs. They will take action against you if you do this and they can find a way to act against you. They have an extensive history of this type of boorish behavior. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com,+,ccl.net > [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com,+,ccl.net] On Beha= lf > Of Peter Damian Jarowski p.d.jarowski^^^surrey.ac.uk > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:04 AM > To: Kress, Jim > Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? > > > Sent to CCL by: "Peter Damian Jarowski" [p.d.jarowski _ surrey.ac.uk] Dea= r > CClers: > > I was brought up with Gaussian as my main computational chemistry > software package during my Ph. > D. and postdoc. Now I am an independent and can no longer afford it. So > obviously I have been investigating all kinds of freeware developed by > academics. I want to do something very simple that Gaussian could get don= e > in 20 minutes but have not found a stable implementation of it in any > software package yet. I simply want to do a semi-empirical relaxed surfac= e > scan of a dihedral and a bond length to generate a 2D surface. I have installed > NWChem/python, GAMESS, and Firefly. > Apparently NWChem and GAMESS can not do this kind of thing and Firefly > does not have the right implementation as of yet but will in version 8.0. I > looked through the manuals of Q-chem and mopac and there appears to be > no implementation there either. Turbomole might do it, but it looks > complicated and its proprietary anyway. > > Any suggestions as to some freeware that can do this kind of thing easily and > with stability. I am tired of learning the nuances of each program's inpu= t file > only to find that it doesn't really do what I want to do. > > Thanks, > > P.S. Gaussian is a robust program, but what I have found is that many of > these other programs seem faster. Kudos. I appreciate the effort of the > developers and I look forward to continuing developments.> -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script =3D-http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt--_000_CADF46EC2B06pj0013surreyacuk_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!? Hello:

Thanks for your reply. I am not afraid of Gaussian, ‘fear itself̵= 7; and all that. Anyway, I described their software as ‘robust.’= ;.

I have trouble with the stability of the implementation. If I want to gener= ate 200 points on a grid I need to be sure that the calculation will comple= te. Firefly has been unstable so far. I post my input below. If you could h= elp that would be great. You will notice that I haven’t even added th= e second coordinate yet. It will be the bond length at the center of the di= hedral scan:

 $CONTRL SCFTYP=3DRHF RUNTYP=3Drsurface NZVAR=3D84 COORD=3DCART ICHARG= =3D0 MULT=3D1
 MAXIT=3D10000 INTTYP=3DHONDO ICUT=3D9 ITOL=3D20
 $END
 $SYSTEM TIMLIM=3D500 MEMORY=3D30000000 $END
 $SCF NCONV=3D4 $END
 $GUESS GUESS=3DHUCKEL $END
 $BASIS GBASIS=3DAM1 $END
 $STATPT NSTEP=3D10000 DXMAX=3D0.3 OPTTOL=3D1d-5 $END
 $SCF SOSCF=3D.F. DIIS=3D.T. $END
 $ZMAT dlc=3D.t. auto=3D.t. scan=3D.t. autofv=3D.t. IFZMAT(1)=3D3,14,1= 1,10,9 HBOND=3D0
 CNVTOL=3D1d-6 DLCTOL=3D1d-7 IFDMOD=3D2
 ORTTOL=3D1d-7
 $END
 $SURF ndisp1=3D200 disp1=3D1.8000 orig1=3D180.0 REUSE=3D.t. $END
 $DATA
DMA_CCH-DCVCl
C1
 C  6.0   1.122418     1.517544 &nb= sp;  -0.193657
 C  6.0   2.444119     1.415004 &nb= sp;   0.159467
 C  6.0   3.196169     0.227183 &nb= sp;  -0.127532
 C  6.0   2.515276    -0.841094  &n= bsp; -0.796274
 C  6.0   1.191214    -0.730221  &n= bsp; -1.142772
 C  6.0   0.446297     0.451531 &nb= sp;  -0.854594
 N  7.0   4.516093     0.120060 &nb= sp;   0.223990
 C  6.0   5.248228    -1.089381  &n= bsp; -0.046123
 C  6.0  -0.863711     0.545219  &n= bsp; -1.199052
 C  6.0  -2.114688     0.518951  &n= bsp; -1.455483
 C  6.0  -3.123750    -0.220676   &= nbsp;-0.528857
Cl 17.0  -2.368613    -1.769058    -0.13= 0959
 C  6.0   5.186595     1.206364 &nb= sp;   0.887636
 C  6.0  -4.436061    -0.057431   &= nbsp;-1.098883
 C  6.0  -4.962743    -1.097253   &= nbsp;-1.873530
 N  7.0  -5.382753    -1.969524   &= nbsp;-2.527234
 C  6.0  -5.157183     1.133424  &n= bsp; -0.956011
 N  7.0  -5.753070     2.130057  &n= bsp; -0.837720
 H  1.0  -3.352921     0.431816  &n= bsp;  0.352618
 H  1.0  -2.597284     0.926121  &n= bsp; -2.362611
 H  1.0   0.679841    -1.569252  &n= bsp; -1.647699
 H  1.0   0.560182     2.438525 &nb= sp;   0.036413
 H  1.0   3.049605    -1.774137  &n= bsp; -1.034984
 H  1.0   2.925389     2.260639 &nb= sp;   0.674723
 H  1.0   4.697836     1.420209 &nb= sp;   1.877258
 H  1.0   6.262486     0.945589 &nb= sp;   1.067705
 H  1.0   5.144954     2.133973 &nb= sp;   0.253815
 H  1.0   5.286556    -1.280338  &n= bsp; -1.153369
 H  1.0   6.298110    -1.002073  &n= bsp;  0.338850
 H  1.0   4.754006    -1.964866  &n= bsp;  0.457292
 $END



On 11/8/11 3:49 PM, "Jim Kress ccl_nospam]_[kressworks.com" <<= a href=3D"owner-chemistry:ccl.net">owner-chemistry:ccl.net> wrote:


Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam(-)kressworks.com]
In what sense can Firefly not do the 2D relaxed PES?  I have used the<= BR> RSURFACE keyword to do these.  What are you unable to do?

Also, be care when commenting on Gaussian comparisons with other programs.<= BR> They will take action against you if you do this and they can find a way to=
act against you.  They have an extensive history of this type of boori= sh
behavior.

Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com,+,ccl.net
> [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com,+,ccl.net]= On Behalf
> Of Peter Damian Jarowski p.d.jarowski^^^surrey.ac.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:04 AM
> To: Kress, Jim
> Subject: CCL:G: 2D Relaxed Surface Scan?!?!?!?
>
>
> Sent to CCL by: "Peter Damian Jarowski" [p.d.jarowski _ surr= ey.ac.uk] Dear
> CClers:
>
> I was brought up with Gaussian as my main computational chemistry
> software package during my Ph.
> D. and postdoc. Now I am an independent and can no longer afford it. S= o
> obviously I have been investigating all kinds of freeware developed by=
> academics. I want to do something very simple that Gaussian could get = done
> in 20 minutes but have not found a stable implementation of it in any<= BR> > software package yet. I simply want to do a semi-empirical relaxed sur= face
> scan of a dihedral and a bond length to generate a 2D surface. I have<= BR> installed
> NWChem/python, GAMESS, and Firefly.
> Apparently NWChem and GAMESS can not do this kind of thing and Firefly=
> does not have the right implementation as of yet but will in version 8= .0.
I
> looked through the manuals of Q-chem and mopac and there appears to be=
> no implementation there either. Turbomole might do it, but it looks > complicated and its proprietary anyway.
>
> Any suggestions as to some freeware that can do this kind of thing eas= ily
and
> with stability. I am tired of learning the nuances of each program's i= nput
file
> only to find that it doesn't really do what I want to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> P.S. Gaussian is a robust program, but what I have found is that many = of
> these other programs seem faster. Kudos. I appreciate the effort of th= e
> developers and I look forward to continuing developments.>



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