From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 07:47:00 2007 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me?= Kieffer jerome.kieffer[]terre-adelie.org" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Overlay molecules Message-Id: <-33402-070119042218-18792-GCUcejhP4Bz0gSj/ofO6Tw : server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me?= Kieffer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:22:26 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me?= Kieffer" [jerome.kieffer#terre-adelie.org] Dear CCLers, I would like to overlay automatically molecules optimized by different ways. So I am looking for a piece of code (idealy written in python) or the algorithm that does this and calculates the RMS between two molecules. Thanks for your help. Regards. -- Jerome Kieffer From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 09:23:00 2007 From: "Michel Petitjean ptitjean|,|itodys.jussieu.fr" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Overlay molecules Message-Id: <-33403-070119091315-25602-lAYADWMKX57yRq13EUle9A.@.server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Michel Petitjean Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:10:54 +0100 (MET) Sent to CCL by: Michel Petitjean [ptitjean|,|itodys.jussieu.fr] To: chemistry:_:ccl.net Subj: CCL: Re: Overlay molecules I am not sure about what you are looking for, but did you have a look to ARMS and CSR, which both computes RMS: http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.freeware.html#ARMS http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.freeware.html#CSR (I may send to you in PDF the papers in which the algorithms are described). Michel Petitjean, Email: petitjean:_:itodys.jussieu.fr ITODYS (CNRS, UMR 7086) ptitjean:_:ccr.jussieu.fr 1 rue Guy de la Brosse Phone: +33 (0)1 44 27 48 57 75005 Paris, France. FAX : +33 (0)1 44 27 68 14 http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.html ........................................................................... Sent to CCL by: "J=E9r=F4me?= Kieffer" [jerome.kieffer#terre-adelie.org] > Dear CCLers, > > I would like to overlay automatically molecules optimized by different > ways. > So I am looking for a piece of code (idealy written in python) or the > algorithm that does this and calculates the RMS between two molecules. > > Thanks for your help. Regards. > > -- > Jerome Kieffer From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 11:46:01 2007 From: "Mary Veronica O Connor moconnor^-^westliberty.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Parameters for fluorine Message-Id: <-33404-070118110832-16631-sY0f/B+VKit+lcn3g2/sLw[A]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Mary Veronica O Connor" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:08:28 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Mary Veronica O Connor" [moconnor:-:westliberty.edu] Hello: I am looking for parameters (or suggestions for a training set of compounds) for fluorine at the B3LYP/6-31G (d) level. Thanks! Mary From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 12:21:01 2007 From: "Tom Keal keal^mpi-muelheim.mpg.de" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Overlay molecules Message-Id: <-33405-070119101057-16812-qB4A4Yaf4L8GTDcxX0rQqA_-_server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Tom Keal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:01:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Tom Keal [keal{}mpi-muelheim.mpg.de] The algorithm you're looking for is by W. Kabsch (Acta. Cryst. A32, 922-923, 1976 and Acta. Cryst. A34, 827-828, 1978). There are a number of implementations floating around the internet - googling for "python kabsch alignment" should bring up one or two. Note that the Kabsch algorithm can be weighted (e.g. by mass), and if you choose to do that it will minimise a mass-weighted RMSD instead of an unweighted RMSD. You also need to be consistent about moving the system to the centroid or the centre of mass at the beginning for unweighted/mass-weighted respectively. The other option is to get a visualisation program like VMD to do the alignment for you. Again, you can choose to align unweighted or weighted (and you can script it with Python or TCL). Best wishes Tom Keal Jérôme Kieffer jerome.kieffer[]terre-adelie.org wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=F4me?= Kieffer" [jerome.kieffer#terre-adelie.org] > > Dear CCLers, > > I would like to overlay automatically molecules optimized by different > ways. > So I am looking for a piece of code (idealy written in python) or the > algorithm that does this and calculates the RMS between two molecules. > > Thanks for your help. Regards. > > -- > Jerome Kieffer From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 12:55:01 2007 From: "david.giesen__kodak.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: CCL question regarding comparison of Jaguar and Gaussian03 programs Message-Id: <-33406-070119114318-22874-8P6nObCXv/bTxqoOoS+H7g..server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: david.giesen^_^kodak.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:02:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: david.giesen],[kodak.com Ken - You'll probably never get complete agreement between the two programs as they use different grids and methods for their DFT calculations. Also, be aware that Jaguar uses 6D functions while Gaussian sometimes uses 5. However, there is another issue that causes differences on the order of a few kcals/mol. This explanation was sent to me by folks at help(!)schrodinger.com many years ago (they are very helpful on matters like this, BTW). Before solving the SCF equations, Jaguar removes eigenvectors of the overlap matrix that are smaller than a certain tolerance. Doing this increases the stability of the SCF convergence, but alters the final energy obtained. You can tell if this happens during a Jaguar job by comparing two lines in the Jaguar output file. Look for "number of basis functions" near the top of the file, and compare that number to "number of canonical orbitals" printed throughout the output file. If the two numbers are the same, then something else is afoot and I can't help you. If the two numbers are different, then Jaguar has removed some of those small eigenvectors. In that case, look for the line that says "smallest eigenvalue of S". There will be a number listed there that is something like 1.0E-3, or whatever it is for your system. You'll need that number. You'll want to add two keywords to the input file: cut10=x and cut20=x, where x < the smallest eigenvalue of S. cut10 and cut20 set the tolerance for removing eigenvalues of the overlap matrix. Once you've set them, you should see the number of canonical orbitals match up with the number of basis functions. In practice, it's a pain to run a job, change the keywords and restart the job all the time. To avoid this, I always set cut10 and cut20 to 5.0e-4 > from the start and rarely do I have SCF convergence or eigenvector removal problems. Dave Giesen "Hunter, Ken ken.hunter^_^uleth.ca" Sent by: owner-chemistry(!)ccl.net 01/18/2007 03:07 PM Please respond to "CCL Subscribers" To "Giesen, David J " cc Subject CCL:G: CCL question regarding comparison of Jaguar and Gaussian03 programs We have been testing the applications of the Jaguar program and would like to incorporate the versatility of Jaguar to our computational chemistry group. However, one hesitation remains. When testing energies from our standard test molecules the energies we get from Jaguar are significantly different from our test calculations in Gaussian. Looking at the convergence criteria appears to be the same between the two programs and they have defined the basis sets the same. Differences seem to arise in optimizations and single points. We were curious if there any insights on how to reproduce Gaussian energies with Jaguar. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Ken Hunter From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 13:38:00 2007 From: "Filipe Duarte filipe.duarte-x-dq.fct.unl.pt" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: polarizability of organometallic Re(I) compounds Message-Id: <-33407-070119125617-29962-h/982r25HND5dlc134li0w{=}server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Filipe Duarte" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:56:13 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Filipe Duarte" [filipe.duarte[A]dq.fct.unl.pt] Hello everyone, I am using DFT methods and polar=enonly input Gaussian_03 for polarizability calculation of ground-state of a series of organometallic Re(I) compounds In the output I get the polarizability and the energies of the orbitals HOMO and LUMO. To confirm the variation of the polarizability of a series organometallic Re(I) compounds, I am using the relation between polarizability and 1/DE (LUMO-HOMO). polarizability is proportional to 1/deltaE (LUMO-HOMO). The results that I got are in disagreement of this relation polarizability 1/deltaE (LUMO-HOMO) 31.70 0.3472 34.64 0.2968 49.19 0.2829 The results show, that the polarizability increase when 1/E decreases, this is the opposite of the relation between polarizability and 1/E described in the literature. What does that mean its not clear to me. To trying understanding these results I performed the some calculations for a small compounds, methanol, ethanol and 1-propanol. The results achieved are in agreement with the relation between polarizability and 1/deltaE. I would like to know if is possible/correctly use this method to calculate the polarizability. If you have a suggestion please email me directly. Thanks and warm regards, Filipe Duarte From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 14:42:00 2007 From: "Muneerah Mogren mmogren : ksu.edu.sa" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Spam: calculate the electronic energy of some clusters Message-Id: <-33408-070119143431-19880-IZKjPV3rz2DzjcaaJQJZWA^-^server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Muneerah Mogren Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:34:06 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Muneerah Mogren [mmogren=ksu.edu.sa] =0D =0D

Dear CCl members

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I am using the G03 program to calculate the electronic energy of some cl= usters. I am interested also to know the electronic state of the clusters. = I found that the G03 program sometimes writes the electronic state of the c= luster as is the case for C2 as in the following line The electronic state = of the initial guess is 1-SGG. But for other clusters as Si2 is misses this= line. Does anyone know why the G03 program does this and what to do to get= the electronic state of the cluster. Thanking you in advance.

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Best regards

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Muneerah

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---- Msg sent via KSU Webmail - http://atmail.com/ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 15:49:00 2007 From: "Michel Petitjean ptitjean|,|itodys.jussieu.fr" To: CCL Subject: CCL: RMS (was: Overlay molecules) Message-Id: <-33409-070119153005-10976-OTHfpc18JIMSvql3MpGjaw---server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Michel Petitjean Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:29:51 +0100 (MET) Sent to CCL by: Michel Petitjean [ptitjean..itodys.jussieu.fr] To: chemistry],[ccl.net Subject: CCL: RMS (was: Overlay molecules) If a null RMS is acceptable for enantiomers, methods based on the SVD are acceptable, and have been published and republished many times since 1962, including Kabsch in 1976. If it is not acceptable, methods based on quaternions are better. Considering weigths is a generalization. Considering both discrete and continuous sets, finite or infinite sets, weighted or non weighted sets, are all generalizations handled with probability distributions. Fortunately, the problem is solved analytically in the 2D and 3D space for all this situations (plus some others): see my following papers in - J. Math. Phys. 1999, 40(9), 4587-4595 (formulaes in appendix) - J. Math. Phys. 2002, 43(8), 4147-4157 (formulaes in appendix A, the 3D case is in appendix A.5) - J. Math. Chem. 2004, 35(3), 147-158 : summarizes the RMS theory; see also my web site. Best regards, Michel Petitjean, Email: petitjean],[itodys.jussieu.fr ITODYS (CNRS, UMR 7086) ptitjean],[ccr.jussieu.fr 1 rue Guy de la Brosse Phone: +33 (0)1 44 27 48 57 75005 Paris, France. FAX : +33 (0)1 44 27 68 14 http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.shape.html ........................................................................... Sent to CCL by: Tom Keal [keal{}mpi-muelheim.mpg.de] > The algorithm you're looking for is by W. Kabsch (Acta. Cryst. A32,=20 > 922-923, 1976 and Acta. Cryst. A34, 827-828, 1978). There are a number=20 > of implementations floating around the internet - googling for "python=20 > kabsch alignment" should bring up one or two. > > Note that the Kabsch algorithm can be weighted (e.g. by mass), and if=20 > you choose to do that it will minimise a mass-weighted RMSD instead of=20 > an unweighted RMSD. You also need to be consistent about moving the=20 system to the centroid or the centre of mass at the beginning for=20 > unweighted/mass-weighted respectively. > > The other option is to get a visualisation program like VMD to do the=20 > alignment for you. Again, you can choose to align unweighted or weighted=20 > (and you can script it with Python or TCL). > > Best wishes > > Tom Keal From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 16:24:00 2007 From: "Gyun-Tack Bae gbae1(~)lsu.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Can I ask something- NBO visualization Message-Id: <-33410-070119131614-12513-kdOibE7B+4aZZ2b5t0su8w**server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Gyun-Tack Bae" Content-Language: ko Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73BBF.41D997C0" Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:45:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Gyun-Tack Bae" [gbae1|a|lsu.edu] This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73BBF.41D997C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I try to view the NBO (v.3.1) analysis with Gaussian 03. But I got the error that Error termination via Lnk1e in /usr/local/packages/g03/l607.exe I used pop=SaveNBOs Please tell me how to handle the link 607.. Thank you so much. And please tell me any idea to view NBO with G03.. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73BBF.41D997C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

 

I try to view the NBO (v.3.1) analysis  = with Gaussian 03.

 

But I got the error that

 

 

 

Error termination via Lnk1e in /usr/local/packages/g03/l607.exe

 

 

 

I used pop=3DSaveNBOs

 

Please tell me how to handle the link = 607..

 

Thank you so much.

 

And please tell me any idea to view NBO with = G03..

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73BBF.41D997C0-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 16:59:00 2007 From: "Millen, Andrea andrea.millen-$-uleth.ca" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: CCL Message-Id: <-33411-070118164244-10338-76LhEpaB9XqRzp7YFwl1Gw%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Millen, Andrea" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C73B43.D70B6242" Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:01:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Millen, Andrea" [andrea.millen++uleth.ca] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73B43.D70B6242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I was hoping for some clarification regarding the scan keyword in Gaussian. Is there are a way to run a scan of single points using Cartesian coordinates instead of the Z-matrix? How does the input differ? Thanks for any help, =20 Andrea Millen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73B43.D70B6242 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

I was hoping for some clarification regarding the = scan keyword in Gaussian. Is there are a way to run a scan of single points = using Cartesian coordinates instead of the Z-matrix? How does the input = differ? Thanks for any help,

 

Andrea Millen

------_=_NextPart_001_01C73B43.D70B6242-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 20:16:00 2007 From: "TCBG Online Workshop workshop+online1 .. ks.uiuc.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: TCBG Online Workshop on Computational Biophysics, Feb. 22-27, 2007 Message-Id: <-33412-070119163736-12345-cgfmENv67ypODjQzet08IA^server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: TCBG Online Workshop Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:30:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: TCBG Online Workshop [workshop+online1- -ks.uiuc.edu] TCBG Online Workshop on Computational Biophysics http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Training/Workshop/Online/OC1/index.html Application Deadline: February 14, 2007 The Theoretical and Computational Biophysics Group, NIH Resource for Macromolecular Modeling and Bioinformatics (www.ks.uiuc.edu) at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (www.uiuc.edu), will organize an "Online Workshop on Computational Biophysics" to be held February 22-27, 2007. The workshop will explore computer simulation of biological and artificial membrane channels. Modeling and simulation of molecular systems has become an inseparable component of modern research. In particular, molecular dynamics simulation is increasingly used to investigate the molecular mechanism of function and structure-function relationship of a wide range of biological macromolecules. The course will present a brief introduction to such methodologies, and uses membrane channels as an example of how theoretical biophysical methods and computer simulation technology can be applied to biological problems. The examples used in the class are aquaporin water channels as an example for biologically relevant materials, as well as carbon nanotubes as artificial materials. Modeling, simulation setup, and analysis of the results will be demonstrated along with the lessons learnt from simulation studies of these systems. The lectures are accompanied by a hands-on tutorial in which the students can set up and run small simulations on their own. The workshop is designed for graduate students and postdoctoral researchers in computational and/or biophysical fields. Participant are expected to be familiar with the VMD (www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd) and NAMD (www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/namd) software used in the workshop*. Streaming video of a recorded lecture, tutorial self-study, and phone contact with the instructor are used to deliver course content. Enrollment is limited to ten participants. Applications to the workshop are due by February 14, 2007. Selection and notification of participants from the application pool will be completed by February 16, 2007. Those selected to attend must register by February 20, 2007. Managing technical requirements of the course (software installation, suitable connection for streaming video) is the responsibility of participants. We look forward to receiving your application. Online Workshop Organizers E-mail: workshop+online1.^.ks.uiuc.edu Tutorials on VMD and NAMD are available here: http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Training/Tutorials/ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 19 20:51:00 2007 From: "miquel torrent mts!A!stark.udg.es" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: polarizability of organometallic Re(I) compounds Message-Id: <-33413-070119153703-12682-IjGPtZdnRh5hn9Pq31LHhA~~server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: miquel torrent Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:07:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: miquel torrent [mts]_[stark.udg.es] Dear Filipe, You are checking the proportional relationship between the global softness (the inverse of the global hardnesss, hardness= I-A (using Koopmans' approximation) = Elumo - Ehomo) and the polarizability; however you can found in the literature a lot of works where this empiral relationship between hardness and polarizability are not fulfilled; for instance, me and my collaborators we present a possible explanation about this problem in the article J. Phys. Chem. A 2005, 109, 615-621 . We have started our analysis from the exact expression of the isotropic static electronic polarizability derived from perturbation theory polarizability = summatory over states [ ^2 / wn] and wn = (En-E0)/h, where E0 and En are the energy of the ground and n excitated state. Considering now that the only non negligible excited state in the previous equation corresponds to the HOMO to LUMO excitation, and making the assumption that the energy difference between the ground and this excited state equals the HOMO-LUMO gap, one finds that the static electronic polarizability is proportional to the softness. However, this is only true if the excitation HOMO to LUMO excitation is the dominant contribution. My suggest is that you can try the polarizability to be proportional to the summatory of the summatory including the next HOMO and LUMO orbitals and probably you will recover the relationship. I hope that these comments will be useful for you, Best regards, Miquel. >Sent to CCL by: "Filipe Duarte" [filipe.duarte[A]dq.fct.unl.pt] >Hello everyone, > >I am using DFT methods and polar=enonly input Gaussian_03 for polarizability calculation of ground-state of a series of organometallic Re(I) compounds >In the output I get the polarizability and the energies of the orbitals HOMO and LUMO. >To confirm the variation of the polarizability of a series organometallic Re(I) compounds, I am using the relation between polarizability and 1/DE (LUMO-HOMO). > >polarizability is proportional to 1/deltaE (LUMO-HOMO). > >The results that I got are in disagreement of this relation > >polarizability 1/deltaE (LUMO-HOMO) >31.70 0.3472 >34.64 0.2968 >49.19 0.2829 > >The results show, that the polarizability increase when 1/E decreases, this is the opposite of the relation between polarizability and 1/E described in the literature. >What does that mean its not clear to me. >To trying understanding these results I performed the some calculations for a small compounds, methanol, ethanol and 1-propanol. The results achieved are in agreement with the relation between polarizability and 1/deltaE. > >I would like to know if is possible/correctly use this method to calculate the polarizability. >If you have a suggestion please email me directly. > > >Thanks and warm regards, >Filipe Duarte> > > > -- ============================================================== ============================================================== Miquel Torrent Sucarrat Departament de Química i Institut de Química Computacional Campus Montilivi (Universitat de Girona) 17071 Girona Telèfon: +(34). 972.41.83.67 Telèfon mòbil: 690234662 FAX: +(34).972.41.83.56 ============================================================== You met me at a very strange time in my life -- FIGHTING CLUB ============================================================== LEARN FROM YESTERDAY, LIVE FOR TODAY, LOOK TO TOMORROW, REST THIS AFTERNOON. -- SNOOPY ============================================================== CHARLIE BROWN -- WHICH DO YOU THINK LASTS LONGER IN LIFE, THE GOOD THINGS OR THE BAD THINGS? 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