From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 07:03:01 2005 From: "Szilveszter Juhos szilveszter.juhos::chemaxon.hu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: W:CCL: Stereo 3D Displays & Equipment Message-Id: <-29684-051021050514-26252-ev2HMXo8REvZ2fFoe0GeTw]-[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Szilveszter Juhos" Sent to CCL by: "Szilveszter Juhos" [szilveszter.juhos : chemaxon.hu] Thank you for Warren for the useful list, it can be very handy when somebody want to buy a new setup. Note I do not want to speak against these displays (whish I would have one), simply want to mention that it is worth to learn crossed eyes and parallel eyes stereo viewing. First because it is much cheaper than a hardware solution the other issue is that it is _good for your eyes_. Papers still are publishing stereo pictures and most of the software are supporting split-screen stereo. I had learnt the technique starting from: http://www.vision3d.com/stereo.html so my PC can serve as a "poor man's 3D display" at least on half of the screen. Cheers: Szilva From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 08:03:00 2005 From: "Alexander Martins Silva alex.msilva_+_uol.com.br" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Gaussian parallel Message-Id: <-29685-051021080023-15307-TSDWckBdIQD+18WJ0711Mw[A]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Alexander Martins Silva Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:00:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Alexander Martins Silva [alex.msilva#uol.com.br] Hi, I was trying to execute a parallel job with Gaussian. The job starts but not run at the nodes. After g03l inputefile: $ g03l 453.inp & setenv GAUSS_EXEDIR /usr/local/g03/linda-exe:/usr/local/g03/bsd:/usr/local/g03/private:/usr/local/g03 g03 453.inp [2] 18731 $ ntsnet: using global map file "/usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/../common/lib/tsnet.map" ntsnet: couldn't find user map file "/home/alex/.tsnet.map" ntsnet: checking for /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/l302.exel ntsnet: using executable file /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/l302.exel ntsnet: maxlicense is 1000000 ******************************************** appl config file: /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/tsnet.config-l302_exel user config file: /home/alex/.tsnet.config global config file: /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/../common/lib/tsnet.config user map file: /home/alex/.tsnet.map global map file: /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/../common/lib/tsnet.map local node: at1 remote nodes: at1101 at1102 at1103 at1104 nodelist: at1101 at1102 at1103 at1104 nodefile: tsnet.nodes minwait: 600 maxwait: 600 workerwait: 900 masterload: 1.000000 workerload: 1.000000 fallbackload: 0.990000 maxprocspernode: 1 delay: 0 maxnodes: Number of available nodes minworkers: 3 maxworkers: 3 loadperiod: 5 high: True suffix: True verbose: True veryverbose: True distribute: False cleanup: True getload: False translate: True useglobalconfig: True useglobalmap: True application name: l302.exel application lookup name: l302_exel local executable directory: /usr/local/g03/linda-exe distribution directory: /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/ maxlicense: 1000000 ******************************************** ntsnet: trying to schedule 3 workers ntsnet: scheduled a total of 3 workers ******************************************** node name: xxx (...) node name.... (...) ntsnet: starting master process on at1 /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/bin/linda_sh /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/l302.exel 65536000 /home/alex/Gau-18733.chk 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.int 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.rwf 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.d2e 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.scr 0 /home/alex/Gau-18732.inp 0 junk.out 0 +LARGS 5 0 -kainterval 1 -master 30997 -tsnetport 42530 -maxworkers 3 -minworkers 3 -minwait 600 -maxwait 600 -nodename at1 -kaon ntsnet: starting 1 worker on at1101.ime.eb.br /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/bin/linda_rsh at1101.ime.eb.br -r ssh /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/l302.exel 65536000 /home/alex/Gau-18733.chk 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.int 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.rwf 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.d2e 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.scr 0 /home/alex/Gau-18732.inp 0 junk.out 0 +LARGS 5 1 -maxworkers 3 -chdir /home/alex -worker at1:30997 -workerwait 900 -tsnetref 1 -nodename at1101xxx ntsnet: starting 1 worker on at1102.ime.eb.br /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/bin/linda_rsh at1102.ime.eb.br -r ssh /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/l302.exel 65536000 /home/alex/Gau-18733.chk 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.int 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.rwf 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.d2e 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.scr 0 /home/alex/Gau-18732.inp 0 junk.out 0 +LARGS 5 2 -maxworkers 3 -chdir /home/alex -worker at1:30997 -workerwait 900 -tsnetref 2 -nodename at1102xxx ntsnet: starting 1 worker on at1103.ime.eb.br /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/bin/linda_rsh at1103.ime.eb.br -r ssh /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/l302.exel 65536000 /home/alex/Gau-18733.chk 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.int 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.rwf 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.d2e 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.scr 0 /home/alex/Gau-18732.inp 0 junk.out 0 +LARGS 5 3 -maxworkers 3 -chdir /home/alex -worker at1:30997 -workerwait 900 -tsnetref 3 -nodename at1103xxx ntsnet: exec'ing /usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/bin/LindaLauncher /home/alex/tmp/viaExecDataaCXV13 $ After that, the job apparentelly freeze at link l302.exel. Nothing is running at nodes. $ps PID TTY TIME CMD 15837 pts0 00:00:00 bash 18731 pts0 00:00:00 g03l 18732 pts0 00:00:00 g03 18733 pts0 00:00:03 l302.exe 18735 pts0 00:00:00 cLindaLauncher 18738 pts0 00:00:01 l302.exel 18739 pts0 00:00:00 ssh 18740 pts0 00:00:00 ssh 18741 pts0 00:00:00 ssh 19034 pts0 00:00:00 ps To test the execution I have past the folowing command line (from ntsnet: starting 1 worker on at1101xxx) $/usr/local/g03/linda7.1/intel-linux2.4-rh8/bin/linda_rsh at1101.ime.eb.br -r ssh /usr/local/g03/linda-exe/l302.exel 65536000 /home/alex/Gau-18733.chk 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.int 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.rwf 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.d2e 0 /home/alex/Gau-18733.scr 0 /home/alex/Gau-18732.inp 0 junk.out 0 +LARGS 5 1 -maxworkers 3 -chdir /home/alex -worker at1:30997 -workerwait 900 -tsnetref 1 -nodename at1101.ime.eb.br failed to look up given name -workerwait What can I change to work withou problems? Alexander. From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 08:38:00 2005 From: "Serguei Patchkovskii ps-.-ned.sims.nrc.ca" To: CCL Subject: CCL: W:Calculation of Point Group Message-Id: <-29686-051021064108-13578-oxzWI6VJQ25Cnz1W013ekw__server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Serguei Patchkovskii Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:59:38 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Serguei Patchkovskii [ps : ned.sims.nrc.ca] I've just tried from home (which is -definitly- not ay UofC, and it works). In any event, if it still does not work this morning, I'll be quite happy to e-mail you the code. Serguei On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Dmitri Goussev dgoussev:+:wlu.ca wrote: > Serguei, I am not sure whether this page is available from non-UofC computers. > Dmitri > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Serguei Patchkovskii ps||ned.sims.nrc.ca > To: Goussev, Dmitri > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 6:45 PM > Subject: CCL: W:Calculation of Point Group > > > > Sent to CCL by: Serguei Patchkovskii [ps#,#ned.sims.nrc.ca] > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Arindam Ganguly arindamganguly^-^gmail.com wrote: > > > i am looking for a software whcih when given an input of the structure can > > tell us the Point Group to which the chemical belongs too. thanks. > > http://www.cobalt.chem.ucalgary.ca/ps/symmetry/ > > The nice feature of this one is that it can also find approximate > symmetries, and tell you how far your structure is from having the > exact symmetry elements. > > Serguei > > --- > Dr. Serguei Patchkovskii > > Tel: +1-(613)-990-0945 > Fax: +1-(613)-947-2838 > E-mail: Serguei.Patchkovskii * nrc.ca > > Coordinator of Modelling Software > Theory and Computation Group > Steacie Institute for Molecular Sciences > National Research Council Canada > Room 2011, 100 Sussex Drive > Ottawa, Ontario > K1A 0R6 Canadahttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt > > =------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C5D5C2.2F6A1420 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
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The=20 > nice feature of this one is that it can also find approximate = >
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> --- Dr. Serguei Patchkovskii Tel: +1-(613)-990-0945 Fax: +1-(613)-947-2838 E-mail: Serguei.Patchkovskii[a]nrc.ca Coordinator of Modelling Software Theory and Computation Group Steacie Institute for Molecular Sciences National Research Council Canada Room 2011, 100 Sussex Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0R6 Canada From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 09:13:00 2005 From: "TJ O Donnell tjo-$-acm.org" To: CCL Subject: CCL: W:CCL: Stereo 3D Displays & Equipment Message-Id: <-29687-051021084717-1704-W0q2WdzHLyJvxnhzMYTRRA()server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "TJ O'Donnell" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:47:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "TJ O'Donnell" [tjo:-:acm.org] Yes, thanks Warren for your input and especially monitor reviews. I second Szilva's suggestion to learn crossed and parallel eye stereo viewing. I'm not so sure it helps your eyes, but I've found it not tiring to the eyes, at least for 20-30 minutes at a time. Maybe we could also learn to blink alternate eyes at 60Hz :) TJ O'Donnell http://www.gnova.com/ Szilveszter Juhos szilveszter.juhos::chemaxon.hu wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "Szilveszter Juhos" [szilveszter.juhos : chemaxon.hu] > Thank you for Warren for the useful list, it can be very handy when > somebody want to buy a new setup. Note I do not want to speak against > these displays (whish I would have one), simply want to mention that > it is worth to learn crossed eyes and parallel eyes stereo viewing. > First because it is much cheaper than a hardware solution the other > issue is that it is _good for your eyes_. Papers still are publishing > stereo pictures and most of the software are supporting split-screen > stereo. I had learnt the technique starting from: > http://www.vision3d.com/stereo.html so my PC can serve as a "poor > man's 3D display" at least on half of the screen. > > Cheers: > Szilva> > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 09:47:01 2005 From: "TJ O Donnell tjo#,#acm.org" To: CCL Subject: CCL: W:CCL: Stereo 3D Displays & Equipment Message-Id: <-29688-051021084640-1323-B51bRfV6M1mjK1tKasKdzw##server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "TJ O'Donnell" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:46:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "TJ O'Donnell" [tjo]^[acm.org] Yes, thanks Warren for your input and especially monitor reviews. I second Szilva's suggestion to learn crossed and parallel eye stereo viewing. I'm not so sure it helps your eyes, but I've found it not tiring to the eyes, at least for 20-30 minutes at a time. Maybe we could also learn to blink alternate eyes at 60Hz :) TJ Szilveszter Juhos szilveszter.juhos::chemaxon.hu wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "Szilveszter Juhos" [szilveszter.juhos : chemaxon.hu] > Thank you for Warren for the useful list, it can be very handy when > somebody want to buy a new setup. Note I do not want to speak against > these displays (whish I would have one), simply want to mention that > it is worth to learn crossed eyes and parallel eyes stereo viewing. > First because it is much cheaper than a hardware solution the other > issue is that it is _good for your eyes_. Papers still are publishing > stereo pictures and most of the software are supporting split-screen > stereo. I had learnt the technique starting from: > http://www.vision3d.com/stereo.html so my PC can serve as a "poor > man's 3D display" at least on half of the screen. > > Cheers: > Szilva> > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 10:23:01 2005 From: "Andrew Orry andy.]*[.molsoft.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: January 2006: Two-Day ICM Workshop followed by a One-Day Advanced ICM Training Course Message-Id: <-29689-051021084717-17045-RgFewfNKGhfh9gowKwARjQ]*[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Andrew Orry Sent to CCL by: Andrew Orry [andy]^[molsoft.com] Molsoft LLC (www.molsoft.com) would like to announce a Two-Day ICM Workshop entitled "Protein Structure and Drug Discovery" followed by a One-Day Advanced ICM Training Course to be held on January 25th -27th 2006 in La Jolla, CA, USA. The workshop is suitable for chemists and biologists who would like to learn more about Computational Drug Discovery and Bioinformatics (www.molsoft.com/training.html). No prior knowledge in this field is required to participate in this workshop. The workshop will be conducted by: Prof. Ruben Abagyan PhD (Faculty, The Scripps Research Institute) Dr. Maxim Totrov PhD (Principal, Scientist Molsoft LLC) The workshop consists of lectures, demonstrations and “hands-on” computational experiments. Topics covered include: - Sequence and Structure Analysis - Molecular Modeling - Small Molecule Docking - Flexible Receptor Docking - Virtual Screening - Protein-Protein Docking - Simulations - QSAR - ADME-TOX - Cheminformatics "The objective of this training workshop is to help chemists and biologists solve challenging problems in the area of drug discovery by efficient use of the science and technology present in ICM molecular modeling tools." Ruben Abagyan Prof. of Molecular Biology at The Scripps Research Institute and Co-Founder of Molsoft LLC Please see our website at _www.molsoft.com http://www.molsoft.com/ for more details or E-mail andy~!~molsoft.com or info~!~molsoft.com or call (858) 625 2000 ext.108. Please note class size is limited and recent workshops have sold out, so early registration is recommended. MolSoft is a San Diego based company that is a primary source of new breakthrough technologies in computational chemistry and biology. Molsoft is committed to solving intellectually challenging problems in drug discovery and computational biology. -- Andrew Orry Ph.D. Senior Scientist MolSoft LLC 3366 North Torrey Pines Court Suite 300 La Jolla, CA 92037 U S A Phone: (858) 625-2000 (x108) Fax: (858) 625-2888 www.molsoft.com From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 11:50:01 2005 From: "Rick Venable rvenable]~[pollux.cber.nih.gov" To: CCL Subject: CCL: W:CCL: Stereo 3D Displays & Equipment Message-Id: <-29690-051021113146-17172-RSfF1FVInX/bKweCTc2DOA[#]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Rick Venable Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:28:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Rick Venable [rvenable__pollux.cber.nih.gov] For those who problems learning to view side-by-side stereo via vision training, an good alternative is a device known as a stereoscope; it uses mirrors to do the clean separation of left- and right-eye images. A company known as VCH used to sell some inexpensive ones via the Aldrich catalog; that company doesn't seem to be around any more, but I've seen some reasonable cost replacements while browsing the web. On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Szilveszter Juhos szilveszter.juhos::chemaxon.hu wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "Szilveszter Juhos" [szilveszter.juhos : chemaxon.hu] > Thank you for Warren for the useful list, it can be very handy when > somebody want to buy a new setup. Note I do not want to speak against > these displays (whish I would have one), simply want to mention that > it is worth to learn crossed eyes and parallel eyes stereo viewing. > First because it is much cheaper than a hardware solution the other > issue is that it is _good for your eyes_. Papers still are publishing > stereo pictures and most of the software are supporting split-screen > stereo. I had learnt the technique starting from: > http://www.vision3d.com/stereo.html so my PC can serve as a "poor > man's 3D display" at least on half of the screen. > > Cheers: > Szilva ------------------------------------- Rick Venable 29/500 FDA/CBER/OVRR Biophysics Lab 1401 Rockville Pike HFM-419 Rockville, MD 20852-1448 U.S.A. (301) 496-1905 Rick_Venable AT nih*gov ALT email: rvenable AT speakeasy*org ------------------------------------- www.redcross.org From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 15:07:00 2005 From: "DELIA SOTO sotodelia_-_hotmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: UA0: potential energy surface to get meaningful results Message-Id: <-29691-051021123505-2731-6WkL0TEU5CnYbBHk0CZeRw%%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "DELIA SOTO" Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:34:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "DELIA SOTO" [sotodelia-x-hotmail.com]

Hi

when running a G03 pcm calculation on a complex I get an
abnormal termination with an error message like the following.

United Atom Topological Model (UA0  parameters set).
UA0: Hydrogen   26 has 2 bounds. Keep it explicit at all point on the
UA0: potential energy surface to get meaningful results.
Error termination via Lnk1e in /home/usc/qf/ecl/G03/g03/l301.exe   Can
anyone tell me how to fix this problem?


Thanks, 

  Delia.

From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Oct 21 16:48:00 2005 From: "Shobe, David dshobe]=[sud-chemieinc.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: W:CCL: Stereo 3D Displays & Equipment Message-Id: <-29692-051021164531-23180-zgh25tqwrZSEExbjTO2RLw~~server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Shobe, David" content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:42:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Shobe, David" [dshobe#sud-chemieinc.com] VCH is now Wiley Interscience but I don't know if they still sell the stereoscopes. So it's actually good for your eyes to look at those stereo pictrues w/o visual aids?? And to think that adults used to say that our eyes would get "stuck that way!" %) --David Shobe, Ph.D., M.L.S. Süd-Chemie, Inc. phone (502) 634-7409 fax (502) 634-7724 Don't bother flaming me: I'm behind a firewall. -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry ~ ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry ~ ccl.net] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:28 AM To: Shobe, David Subject: CCL: W:CCL: Stereo 3D Displays & Equipment Sent to CCL by: Rick Venable [rvenable__pollux.cber.nih.gov] For those who problems learning to view side-by-side stereo via vision training, an good alternative is a device known as a stereoscope; it uses mirrors to do the clean separation of left- and right-eye images. A company known as VCH used to sell some inexpensive ones via the Aldrich catalog; that company doesn't seem to be around any more, but I've seen some reasonable cost replacements while browsing the web. On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Szilveszter Juhos szilveszter.juhos::chemaxon.hu wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "Szilveszter Juhos" [szilveszter.juhos : chemaxon.hu] > Thank you for Warren for the useful list, it can be very handy when > somebody want to buy a new setup. Note I do not want to speak against > these displays (whish I would have one), simply want to mention that > it is worth to learn crossed eyes and parallel eyes stereo viewing. > First because it is much cheaper than a hardware solution the other > issue is that it is _good for your eyes_. Papers still are publishing > stereo pictures and most of the software are supporting split-screen > stereo. I had learnt the technique starting from: > http://www.vision3d.com/stereo.html so my PC can serve as a "poor > man's 3D display" at least on half of the screen. > > Cheers: > Szilva ------------------------------------- Rick Venable 29/500 FDA/CBER/OVRR Biophysics Lab 1401 Rockville Pike HFM-419 Rockville, MD 20852-1448 U.S.A. (301) 496-1905 Rick_Venable AT nih*gov ALT email: rvenable AT speakeasy*org ------------------------------------- www.redcross.orghttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt