From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 01:01:00 2018 From: "Peter Kraus peter.kraus-,-geeksonbikes.net" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Complete basis set extrapolation, but with DFT methods Message-Id: <-53344-180612005924-12332-XnubaoaTxnNRidBXLo12LA _ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Peter Kraus Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f5801056e6aba86" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:59:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Peter Kraus [peter.kraus(_)geeksonbikes.net] --0000000000005f5801056e6aba86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Francisco, it's not particularly common. Off the top of my head, one recent publication which did such calculations (with PBE0) was the study of basis set convergence by Feller and Dixon [1]. Best regards, Peter [1] http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/acs.jpca.8b00392 On 12 June 2018 at 04:27, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu < owner-chemistry*o*ccl.net> wrote: > Hello CCL'ers, > > Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common > approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set > limit (CBS). > > However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to > instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X? > > Best, > > -- > Francisco Guzman > PhD Candidate > Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical > Engineering > New Jersey Institute of Technology > Email: fg58**njit.edu, guzman.research**gmail.com > -- Sent from your iPhone. No, really. --0000000000005f5801056e6aba86 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Francisco,

it's not p= articularly common. Off the top of my head, one recent publication which di= d such calculations (with PBE0) was the study of basis set convergence by F= eller and Dixon [1].

Best regards,

Peter
=

[1] http://= dx.doi.org/10.1021/acs.jpca.8b00392

On 12 June 2018 at 04:27, Guzma= n, Francisco fg58()njit.edu <owner-c= hemistry*o*ccl.net> wrote:
Hello CCL'ers,

Using electron correlat= ion methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common approach to extrapolate s= ingle point energies to the complete basis set limit (CBS).=C2=A0

H= owever, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to inst= ead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X?

Best,
<= div>
--
Francisco Guzman
PhD Candidate
Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biologic= al and Pharmaceutical Engineering
New Jersey Institute of Technology
=



--
Sent from your = iPhone. No, really.
--0000000000005f5801056e6aba86-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 01:56:00 2018 From: "Sebastian seb.kozuch=-=gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Complete basis set extrapolation, but with DFT methods Message-Id: <-53345-180612014450-16248-PX9XiJUHVewUsO9sAWATgw~~server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Sebastian Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:43:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Sebastian [seb.kozuch__gmail.com] Dear Francisco,
That is not common. DFT converges much faster than post-HF methods, so typically a triple zeta (or maybe an augmented triple zeta) is already close to CBS for regular DFT. There will be a small difference with bigger basis sets, but the error of the functional is already larger than the error of the basis set. In some specific cases, such as with double hybrids, you may want a quadruple zeta though.

Best,
Sebastian

On 12/06/2018 5:27, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote:
Hello CCL'ers,

Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set limit (CBS). 

However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X?

Best,

--
Francisco Guzman
PhD Candidate
Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical Engineering
New Jersey Institute of Technology

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          Sebastian Kozuch
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       Department of Chemistry
 Ben-Gurion University of the Negev 
          Beer Sheva, Israel
           kozuch---bgu.ac.il
    http://www.bgu.ac.il/~kozuch
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From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 02:39:00 2018 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?V=EDctor_Lua=F1a?= Cabal victor.+/-.fluor.quimica.uniovi.es" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Complete basis set extrapolation, but with DFT methods Message-Id: <-53346-180612012937-7025-P2ukD9QqiUU25XrSzJCzDQ+/-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=EDctor_Lua=F1a?= Cabal Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:29:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=EDctor_Lua=F1a?= Cabal [victor+/-fluor.quimica.uniovi.es] * Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu [2018-06-11 22:27:06 -0400]: > Hello CCL'ers, > > Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common > approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set > limit (CBS). > > However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to > instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X? > > Best, > > -- > Francisco Guzman > PhD Candidate > Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical > Engineering > New Jersey Institute of Technology > Email: fg58**njit.edu, guzman.research**gmail.com Francisco, google: gaussian DFT CBS and you will see some references to start with. Cheers, Vctor Luaa -- . . "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from / `' \ doing what is right." /(o)(o)\ -- Salvor Hardin, "Foundation" /`. \/ .'\ / '`'` \ "Freedom!, freedom!, freedom! After that put whatever | \'`'`/ | term you like" | |'`'`| | --Largo Caballero (socialist, spanish president in the exile, \/`'`'`'\/ shortly before dying) ==(((==)))===================================+ A person is slave of his words ! Dr.Vctor Luaa, in silico chemist & prof. ! and owner of his silences. ! Departamento de Qumica Fsica y Analtica ! ! Universidad de Oviedo, 33006-Oviedo, Spain ! The collective intelligence of ! e-mail: ! a comitee equals the CI of its ! phone: +34-984080927 fax: +34-985103125 ! worst divided by the number +--------------------------------------------+ of members GroupPage: Articles: git-hub: ORCID: 0000-0003-4585-4627; RID: H-2045-2015 From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 07:26:01 2018 From: "Susi Lehtola susi.lehtola[]alumni.helsinki.fi" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Complete basis set extrapolation, but with DFT methods Message-Id: <-53347-180612072414-20634-D01zSfnM0pHk4dq0iERBgw_+_server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Susi Lehtola Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:24:03 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Susi Lehtola [susi.lehtola-$-alumni.helsinki.fi] On 06/12/2018 05:27 AM, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote: > Hello CCL'ers, > > Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common > approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set > limit (CBS). > > However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to > instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X? It's been done in several works, and e.g. Frank Jensen's polarization consistent sets have been constructed so that extrapolation to the complete basis set limit is possible. However, as has already been pointed out by other people in the discussion, standard density functionals converge very quickly to the basis set limit - the convergence is exponential as in Hartree-Fock - that you usually don't need to do any extrapolations to get a sufficiently accurate number; triple or quadruple zeta is probably already converged well enough for any practical purposes. Extrapolation is typically only necessary if you're trying to nail the results down to micro- to nanohartree accuracy, which usually isn't very interesting, but may be necessary if one wants to compare results to very precise real-space calculations. One example is Jensen's recent work in J. Phys. Chem. A 121, 6104 (2017), DOI: 10.1021/acs.jpca.7b04760, where he shows that using extrapolation one can achieve an accuracy similar to multiwavelet approaches that have recently become tractable for small to medium size molecules. Note that the Boys-Bernardi counterpoise correction could also be called an extrapolation method, where the aim is to eliminate basis set superposition error in calculations with small basis sets. This method is extremely commonly used in applications, as e.g. accurate geometries can be achieved with far fewer basis functions. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mr. Susi Lehtola, PhD Junior Fellow, Adjunct Professor susi.lehtola^_^alumni.helsinki.fi University of Helsinki http://www.helsinki.fi/~jzlehtol Finland ------------------------------------------------------------------ Susi Lehtola, dosentti, FT tutkijatohtori susi.lehtola^_^alumni.helsinki.fi Helsingin yliopisto http://www.helsinki.fi/~jzlehtol ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 09:59:01 2018 From: "Mikael Johansson mikael.johansson_._iki.fi" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Complete basis set extrapolation, but with DFT methods Message-Id: <-53348-180612043213-15781-IUvi+NwhUtjJ9X94q3glPw#,#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Mikael Johansson Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D38526E46519E8540D4C516E" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 11:31:59 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Mikael Johansson [mikael.johansson|iki.fi] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D38526E46519E8540D4C516E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello hello, It is not common to do DFT CBS-extrapolation, as /usually /it's not necessary. Combined with laziness (it wouldn't actually take that much time) you seldom see extrapolations. For achieving the complete basis-set limit, it /is/ useful/used, though, both at Hartree-Fock and DFT levels. When the system is too large to do a QZ calculation, a two-point [D,T]Z-extrapolation might be in place as well. For some good discussion and extrapolation formulae, see, /e.g./, Frank Jensen's papers: "Polarization consistent basis sets. II. Estimating the Kohn–Sham basis set limit", https://doi.org/10.1063/1.1465405 "Estimating the Hartree—Fock limit from finite basis set calculations", https://doi.org/10.1007/s00214-005-0635-2 Cheers,     Mikael On 12.6.2018 05:27, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote: > Hello CCL'ers, > > Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very > common approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete > basis set limit (CBS). > > However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but > to instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X? > > Best, > > -- > Francisco Guzman > PhD Candidate > Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical > Engineering > New Jersey Institute of Technology > Email: fg58**njit.edu > ,guzman.research**gmail.com > -- Dr. Mikael Johansson Academy Researcher Department of Chemistry University of Helsinki http://blogs.helsinki.fi/johansson-group --------------D38526E46519E8540D4C516E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello hello,

It is not common to do DFT CBS-extrapolation, as usually it's not necessary. Combined with laziness (it wouldn't actually take that much time) you seldom see extrapolations. For achieving the complete basis-set limit, it is useful/used, though, both at Hartree-Fock and DFT levels. When the system is too large to do a QZ calculation, a two-point [D,T]Z-extrapolation might be in place as well.

For some good discussion and extrapolation formulae, see, e.g., Frank Jensen's papers:
"Polarization consistent basis sets. II. Estimating the Kohn–Sham basis set limit", https://doi.org/10.1063/1.1465405
"Estimating the Hartree—Fock limit from finite basis set calculations", https://doi.org/10.1007/s00214-005-0635-2

Cheers,
    Mikael


On 12.6.2018 05:27, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote:
Hello CCL'ers,

Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set limit (CBS). 

However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X?

Best,

--
Francisco Guzman
PhD Candidate
Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical Engineering
New Jersey Institute of Technology

-- 
Dr. Mikael Johansson
Academy Researcher
Department of Chemistry
University of Helsinki
http://blogs.helsinki.fi/johansson-group
--------------D38526E46519E8540D4C516E-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 10:34:01 2018 From: "Daniel Sebastiani stc2018=uni-halle.de" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Symposium on Theoretical Chemistry 2018 (Halle/Germany) Message-Id: <-53349-180612063833-16611-9zjFkHWnHDCoGJUfCmOMpw%x%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Daniel Sebastiani" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 06:38:31 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Daniel Sebastiani" [stc2018,,uni-halle.de] Dear Colleagues, with pleasure I would like to announce the 54th Symposium on Theoretical Chemistry which will take place in Halle (Germany) from 17.-20. September 2018. The conference website is https://stc2018.de. This year, the theme of the Symposium is "Non-Covalent Interactions", but as always, the meeting will also cover theoretical chemistry aspects beyond this theme. We have arranged for an ensemble of invited speakers, but our explicit intention is to offer a forum for younger scientists to present their work in the form of contributed talks. Presently, we are planning for 11 invited and about 30 contributed presentations, in addition to two poster sessions and both the Hellmann and Hckel award lectures. The invited speakers are listed on the conference website. Both the abstract submission and the conference registration are already open. The logistics of the conference organization (registration, conference fee and abstracts) is done via the GDCh conference service, which can be reached through the conference website. The submission deadline is 14.6.2018 for contributed talks and 31.07.2018 for posters. The STC organization team is looking forward to receiving you here in Halle! Greetings Daniel Sebastiani From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 11:09:01 2018 From: "Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics^gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Complete basis set extrapolation, but with DFT methods Message-Id: <-53350-180612074332-27112-xiFyMKCToXs3CUpOIXFcjg^server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Robert Molt Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------59942EFC80F9FB6D26DA65FA" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:43:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics- -gmail.com] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------59942EFC80F9FB6D26DA65FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If your goal is to get the right answer, rather than a methodological question, there is no real point in doing it, certainly not past aug-cc-pVTZ. The errors in DFT electronic structure estimates greatly exceed basis set truncation errors. I would say even estimates of the ZPE or core polarization of open shell molecules exceed the usual basis set error for DFT past aug-cc-pVTZ, but that's a speculation rather than a fact. On 6/11/18 10:27 PM, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote: > Hello CCL'ers, > > Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very > common approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete > basis set limit (CBS). > > However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but > to instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X? > > Best, > > -- > Francisco Guzman > PhD Candidate > Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical > Engineering > New Jersey Institute of Technology > Email: fg58**njit.edu > ,guzman.research**gmail.com > -- Dr. Robert Molt Jr. r.molt.chemical.physics(!)gmail.com --------------59942EFC80F9FB6D26DA65FA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

If your goal is to get the right answer, rather than a methodological question, there is no real point in doing it, certainly not past aug-cc-pVTZ. The errors in DFT electronic structure estimates greatly exceed basis set truncation errors.

I would say even estimates of the ZPE or core polarization of open shell molecules exceed the usual basis set error for DFT past aug-cc-pVTZ, but that's a speculation rather than a fact.


On 6/11/18 10:27 PM, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote:
Hello CCL'ers,

Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set limit (CBS). 

However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X?

Best,

--
Francisco Guzman
PhD Candidate
Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical Engineering
New Jersey Institute of Technology

-- 
Dr. Robert Molt Jr.
r.molt.chemical.physics(!)gmail.com
--------------59942EFC80F9FB6D26DA65FA-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 12:40:00 2018 From: "Dan Robinhold Dan{}CollaborativeDrug.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Free webinar w/ChEMBL, PubChem & Gates Foundation Message-Id: <-53351-180612122052-1777-g7KxzB9t8gSfqijlsNo/Pg{:}server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Dan Robinhold" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:20:50 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Dan Robinhold" [Dan++CollaborativeDrug.com] Collaborative Drug Discovery (CDD Vault) is hosting a special webinar on "Structure-Activity-Relationship" drug discovery data. This webinar is hosted by Dr. Andrew Leach from ChEMBL, Dr. Evan Bolton from PubChem, and Ashley Farley of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The webinar is in two weeks on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 15:00 (GMT), 11:00 am (US Eastern), 8:00 am (US Pacific). Register here for the free Webinar: https://hubs.ly/H0cC2qP0 Dan Robinhold Head of Community Interests Collaborative Drug Discovery | https://www.collaborativedrug.com Dan^^^CollaborativeDrug.com From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jun 12 23:36:00 2018 From: "Guzman, Francisco fg58(a)njit.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Complete basis set extrapolation, but with DFT methods Message-Id: <-53352-180612233405-12415-xwMcvbc3ko8VbWvc/WvZtQ,server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Guzman, Francisco" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002ae19f056e7da785" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 23:33:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Guzman, Francisco" [fg58,,njit.edu] --0000000000002ae19f056e7da785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you all for the responses and fruitful discussion. To give more of a background, in our group we study heavy molecules so we are limited in the basis sets available (No Jensen :( unfortunately). In our group we normally calculate accurate thermo using a work reaction scheme using a DFT/aug-cc-pVTZ-PP method and extrapolated single point CCSD(T)/AV[D,T,Q]Z energies. A good work reaction should in theory cancel any "bond errors" that the method/basis does not accurately capture and calculate thermo within 1 kcal/mol of data from highly correlated calculations which include corrections for spin-orbit coupling and other relativistic effects. > From experience the CCSD(T)/AVnZ calculations are very good, but what surprising was the behavior of the DFT/AVTZ method. For a given work reaction scheme and target molecule, sometimes the the DFT/AVTZ calculation would be within 0.5 kcal/mol of the extrapolated CCSD(T)/AVnZ calculation, and sometimes the difference was as large as 10 kcal/mol. In essence, the work reaction scheme allows one to save on CPU time and allow the study of a diverse set of molecules. Achieving accurate and reliable thermo with only DFT methods would be an ideal scenario. Time for some more sciencing..... On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Susi Lehtola susi.lehtola[] alumni.helsinki.fi wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: Susi Lehtola [susi.lehtola-$-alumni.helsinki.fi] > On 06/12/2018 05:27 AM, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote: > >> Hello CCL'ers, >> >> Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common >> approach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set >> limit (CBS). >> >> However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to >> instead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X? >> > > It's been done in several works, and e.g. Frank Jensen's polarization > consistent sets have been constructed so that extrapolation to the complete > basis set limit is possible. However, as has already been pointed out by > other people in the discussion, standard density functionals converge very > quickly to the basis set limit - the convergence is exponential as in > Hartree-Fock - that you usually don't need to do any extrapolations to get > a sufficiently accurate number; triple or quadruple zeta is probably > already converged well enough for any practical purposes. > > Extrapolation is typically only necessary if you're trying to nail the > results down to micro- to nanohartree accuracy, which usually isn't very > interesting, but may be necessary if one wants to compare results to very > precise real-space calculations. One example is Jensen's recent work in J. > Phys. Chem. A 121, 6104 (2017), DOI: 10.1021/acs.jpca.7b04760, where he > shows that using extrapolation one can achieve an accuracy similar to > multiwavelet approaches that have recently become tractable for small to > medium size molecules. > > Note that the Boys-Bernardi counterpoise correction could also be called > an extrapolation method, where the aim is to eliminate basis set > superposition error in calculations with small basis sets. This method is > extremely commonly used in applications, as e.g. accurate geometries can be > achieved with far fewer basis functions. > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mr. Susi Lehtola, PhD Junior Fellow, Adjunct Professor > susi.lehtola/./alumni.helsinki.fi University of Helsinki > http://www.helsinki.fi/~jzlehtol Finland > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Susi Lehtola, dosentti, FT tutkijatohtori > susi.lehtola/./alumni.helsinki.fi Helsingin yliopisto > http://www.helsinki.fi/~jzlehtol > ------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlConferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistr > y/announcements/conferences/> > > -- Francisco Guzman PhD Candidate Otto H. York Department of Chemical, Biological and Pharmaceutical Engineering New Jersey Institute of Technology Email: fg58]_[njit.edu, guzman.research]_[gmail.com --0000000000002ae19f056e7da785 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you all for the responses and fruitfu= l discussion. To give more of a background, in our group we study heavy mol= ecules so we are limited in the basis sets available (No Jensen :( unfortun= ately). In our group we normally calculate accurate thermo using a work rea= ction scheme using a DFT/aug-cc-pVTZ-PP method and extrapolated single poin= t CCSD(T)/AV[D,T,Q]Z=C2=A0 energies. A good work reaction should in theory = cancel any "bond errors" that the method/basis does not accuratel= y capture and calculate thermo within 1 kcal/mol of data from highly correl= ated calculations which include corrections for spin-orbit coupling and oth= er relativistic effects.

From experience the CCSD(T)/AVnZ calc= ulations are very good, but what surprising was the behavior of the DFT/AVT= Z method. For a given work reaction scheme and target molecule, sometimes t= he the DFT/AVTZ calculation would be within 0.5 kcal/mol of the extrapolate= d CCSD(T)/AVnZ calculation, and sometimes the difference was as large as 10= kcal/mol.

In essence, the work reaction scheme allows one to= save on CPU time and allow the study of a diverse set of molecules. Achiev= ing accurate and reliable thermo with only DFT methods would be an ideal sc= enario.=C2=A0

Time for some more sciencing.....

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 = at 7:24 AM, Susi Lehtola susi.lehtola[]alumni.helsinki.fi <owner-chemistry]_[ccl.net> wro= te:

Sent to CCL by: Susi Lehtola [susi.lehtola-$-alumni.helsinki.fi] On 06/12/2018 05:27 AM, Guzman, Francisco fg58()njit.edu wrote:
Hello CCL'ers,

Using electron correlation methods, such as CCSD(T), it is a very common ap= proach to extrapolate single point energies to the complete basis set limit= (CBS).

However, is it also common place to apply the the CBS procedure, but to ins= tead use a DFT method such as wb97x, PBE0, or M06-2X?

It's been done in several works, and e.g. Frank Jensen's polarizati= on consistent sets have been constructed so that extrapolation to the compl= ete basis set limit is possible. However, as has already been pointed out b= y other people in the discussion, standard density functionals converge ver= y quickly to the basis set limit - the convergence is exponential as in Har= tree-Fock - that you usually don't need to do any extrapolations to get= a sufficiently accurate number; triple or quadruple zeta is probably alrea= dy converged well enough for any practical purposes.

Extrapolation is typically only necessary if you're trying to nail the = results down to micro- to nanohartree accuracy, which usually isn't ver= y interesting, but may be necessary if one wants to compare results to very= precise real-space calculations. One example is Jensen's recent work i= n J. Phys. Chem. A 121, 6104 (2017), DOI: 10.1021/acs.jpca.7b04760, where h= e shows that using extrapolation one can achieve an accuracy similar to mul= tiwavelet approaches that have recently become tractable for small to mediu= m size molecules.

Note that the Boys-Bernardi counterpoise correction could also be called an= extrapolation method, where the aim is to eliminate basis set superpositio= n error in calculations with small basis sets. This method is extremely com= monly used in applications, as e.g. accurate geometries can be achieved wit= h far fewer basis functions.
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Francisco Guzman<= /span>
PhD Candidate
Otto H. York Department of Che= mical, Biological and Pharmaceutical Engineering
New Jersey Institute of= Technology
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