From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 00:07:01 2017 From: "David Jay Anick david.anick],[rcn.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: entropy calc w internal free rotation Message-Id: <-52952-170823202747-6930-FRy10eX8okL0JrfiTU3gAw%x%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "David Jay Anick" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:27:46 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "David Jay Anick" [david.anick|*|rcn.com] Dear CCLers, I want calculate the usual properties of some molecular clusters, but these have either one or two internal modes of free rotation. Specifically, it is para-toluene-sulfonic acid, with n H2O's added to the sulfonyl head group. Rotation of the methyl is close to barrierless, and rotation of the toluene around the C-S bond also has low barriers that are readily overcome at room temperature. The standard calculation gives a "positive" frequency for the rotation modes, since there is a local min, but the standard entropy / enthalpy calc assumes the potential is approximately harmonic. What adaptations to the ab initio calculation of ZPE, enthalpy and entropy should be made for mode(s) that exhibit low barriers to internal rotation? Obviously this can be a highly complex issue. Links to relevant articles would be much appreciated. Thank you! David david.anick###rcn.com From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 02:47:00 2017 From: "Anuj Tripathi tranuj]_[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: regarding calculation Message-Id: <-52953-170825024342-18416-fV4R8CxEwlVrfle3iJseDw{}server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Anuj Tripathi" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 02:43:40 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Anuj Tripathi" [tranuj*gmail.com] How to calculate PHOSPHORESCENCE computationally? Anuj Tripathi tranuj[a]gmail.com NIT Kurukshtera From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 10:31:00 2017 From: "Peter Jarowski p.jarowski,+,chemalive.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: regarding calculation Message-Id: <-52954-170825051126-24366-z9HFuVSFOpHsErcz2Jvq+Q]^[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Peter Jarowski Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c18f22ac5ccdc0557905351" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:11:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Peter Jarowski [p.jarowski=chemalive.com] --94eb2c18f22ac5ccdc0557905351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Anuj Tripathi: The phosphescence from a computational chemistry perspective is the difference in energy between the lowest energy structurally optimized (relaxed) triplet excited-state and the corresponding structure in its lowest energy singlet ground-state (un-relaxed). To achieve the first structure you should use TDDFT or a multi-reference method with the specified state. Alternatively, one can simply set the molecule to triplet and optimize (although I welcome CCL to tell me difference between doing this and using TDDFT to optimize the triplet - a nagging question for me many years now). Best, Peter On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Anuj Tripathi tranuj]_[gmail.com < owner-chemistry===ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Anuj Tripathi" [tranuj*gmail.com] > How to calculate PHOSPHORESCENCE computationally? > > Anuj Tripathi > tranuj(_)gmail.com > NIT Kurukshtera> > > -- Peter Jarowski CEO / Co-founder ChemAlive SA - Quantum Chemistry for All www.chemalive.com Try our Interface: http://www.chemalive.com/C/interfaceC.html --94eb2c18f22ac5ccdc0557905351 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Anuj Tripathi:

The p= hosphescence from a computational chemistry perspective is the difference i= n energy between the lowest energy structurally optimized (relaxed) triplet= excited-state and the corresponding structure in its lowest energy singlet= ground-state (un-relaxed).

To achieve the first structure you= should use TDDFT or a multi-reference method with the specified state. Alt= ernatively, one can simply set the molecule to triplet and optimize (althou= gh I welcome CCL to tell me difference between doing this and using TDDFT t= o optimize the triplet - a nagging question for me many years now).
Best,

Peter

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 8:43 AM,= Anuj Tripathi tranuj]_[gmail.com <= owner-chemistry===ccl.net> wrote:

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--94eb2c18f22ac5ccdc0557905351-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 12:01:01 2017 From: "Jim Kress jimkress35 : gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: regarding calculation Message-Id: <-52955-170825115911-16068-2EDJULzJLg2FBYOH1oJFpA|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:58:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [jimkress35^gmail.com] Use ORCA. It has a special workflow to do just what you want. https://orcaforum.cec.mpg.de/portal.php Jim -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com:_:ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com:_:ccl.net] On Behalf Of Anuj Tripathi tranuj]_[gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 2:44 AM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: regarding calculation Sent to CCL by: "Anuj Tripathi" [tranuj*gmail.com] How to calculate PHOSPHORESCENCE computationally? Anuj Tripathi tranuj(_)gmail.com NIT Kurukshterahttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Aug 25 18:28:00 2017 From: "Igors Mihailovs igorsm**cfi.lu.lv" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Vibrational sublevels along particular coordinate on PES Message-Id: <-52956-170825154931-7703-BT0yxnfi6IYTDP3nZjZOrw%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Igors Mihailovs Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F4C63DE21E867218C5F18A4F" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 22:51:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Igors Mihailovs [igorsm~~cfi.lu.lv] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F4C63DE21E867218C5F18A4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear computational chemistry specialists, Thank you all for your help and clarifications! Now I think I have an idea about analysing a multidimentional PES, at least from the viewpoint of statistical mechanics... Several minor questions, though: 1. Eric Hermes erichermes+/-gmail.com wrote: Second, this approach is only valid if your reaction coordinate is sufficiently flat that it can be treated classically. How flat is "sufficiently flat" PES? For example, I have barriers of 10 to 20 kcal/mol for going from 10° to 90° torsion (actually this is called internal rotation, I think). Is that "sufficiently flat"? Could someone provide examples for "not sufficiently flat" case (I mean, among well-known ones)? Do I understand it correctly that the restriction applies to cases when tunneling appears, which has also Heribert mentioned (as with proton transitions)? Can I assume that if the PES is "sufficiently flat", then the vibrational sublevels are close to each other? For the my case of internal rotation, for instance... 2. Heribert Reis hreis]|[eie.gr wrote: |the vibrational wave function of the lowest level (for simplicity) around that dihedral value| I am not sure I have understood this. In accord with the following discussion, does that mean I would need to solve for the one-dimensional problem with my 1D-PES as the well potential, which would provide me with vibrational levels, of which some will be located at the vicinity of torsion angle value NN°, some other level at MM°, etc., etc.? Thank you all again in advance! --------------F4C63DE21E867218C5F18A4F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear computational chemistry specialists,

Thank you all for your help and clarifications! Now I think I have an idea about analysing a multidimentional PES, at least from the viewpoint of statistical mechanics...

Several minor questions, though:

1.

Eric Hermes erichermes+/-gmail.com wrote:
Second, this approach is only valid if your reaction coordinate is sufficiently flat that it can
be treated classically.
How flat is "sufficiently flat" PES? For example, I have barriers of 10 to 20 kcal/mol for going from 10° to 90° torsion (actually this is called internal rotation, I think). Is that "sufficiently flat"? Could someone provide examples for "not sufficiently flat" case (I mean, among well-known ones)? Do I understand it correctly that the restriction applies to cases when tunneling appears, which has also Heribert mentioned (as with proton transitions)?

Can I assume that if the PES is "sufficiently flat", then the vibrational sublevels are close to each other? For the my case of internal rotation, for instance...

2.
Heribert Reis hreis]|[eie.gr wrote:
the vibrational wave function of the lowest level (for simplicity) around that dihedral value
I am not sure I have understood this. In accord with the following discussion, does that mean I would need to solve for the one-dimensional problem with my 1D-PES as the well potential, which would provide me with vibrational levels, of which some will be located at the vicinity of torsion angle value NN°, some other level at MM°, etc., etc.?

Thank you all again in advance!


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