From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 7 01:57:01 2016 From: "Arthur Zalevsky aozalevsky:+:gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search Message-Id: <-52545-161207015309-22977-TuYrBG8SHxVF/H7W2Kq+Yw|a|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Arthur Zalevsky Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0e75bce0a3c205430bf8de Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:53:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Arthur Zalevsky [aozalevsky*_*gmail.com] --94eb2c0e75bce0a3c205430bf8de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael! Look at metadynamics approach with gromacs/plumed couple. http://plumed.github.io/doc-v2.1/user-doc/html/belfast-6.html Regards, Arthur -- Ph.D student Virtual Structural Biology Group Faculty of Bioengineering and Bioinformatics Lomonosov Moscow State University =E2=80=8E email: aozalevsky*fbb.msu.ru email: aozalevsky*gmail.com web: http://vsb.fbb.msu.ru=E2=80=8E cell: +79268299066 2016-12-07 6:51 GMT+03:00 Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com < owner-chemistry*ccl.net>: > Dear All, > > > > I am looking for a program/software to perform a local minimum geometry > search. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry of a molecu= le > and a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will use the "kick" > energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible > other energy minimum geometries. > > > > My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not familiar > with MD programs capable of performing this type of search, although I am > sure there must be many. Can someone give me a good suggestion? > > > > It would be the best if the program/software could: > > > > 1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry and set the "kick" > energy/temperature. No script writing. > > 2) include reliable/popular force field; > > 3) tell me how many times each identified minimum geometry is found durin= g > the search; > > > > Free software would be great, but if not we do have enough fund to > purchase. > > > > Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Michael Morgan > > > > > --94eb2c0e75bce0a3c205430bf8de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Michael!

Look at metadynamics approa= ch with gromacs/plumed couple.

http://plumed.github= .io/doc-v2.1/user-doc/html/belfast-6.html

= Regards,
Arthur

--
Ph.D student
Virtual Structural Biology Group
Faculty of Bioengineering and Bioinformatics
Lomonosov Moscow State University
=E2=80=8E
email:=C2=A0aozalevsky*fbb.msu.ru<= /a>
email:=C2=A0
aozalevsky*gmail.com
web:=C2=A0http://vsb.fbb.msu.ru= =E2=80=8E
cell: +79268299066

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--94eb2c0e75bce0a3c205430bf8de-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 7 04:51:00 2016 From: "Mark Mackey mark .. cresset-group.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search Message-Id: <-52546-161207044856-16034-ZThP2BQfYlJGtkpeJ/XzLA{:}server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Mark Mackey Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AM3PR04MB129982D5E87F55189D603C8297850AM3PR04MB1299eurp_" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 09:48:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Mark Mackey [mark{=}cresset-group.com] --_000_AM3PR04MB129982D5E87F55189D603C8297850AM3PR04MB1299eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, MD is in general an extremely inefficient way of doing conformation searche= s: none of the widely used conformer sampling programs in drug discovery us= e MD. Is there a reason why you want MD as opposed to a stochastic, distanc= e geometry or rule-based conformation search? There are a number of free (as in beer), free-for-academic and open source = conformer sampling tools out there that may well do what you want, but the = caveat is likely to be the force field. If your molecules are not simple or= ganics, then you are likely to have much more difficulty finding software a= nd a force field that will adequately describe your system. Assuming simple organics, off the top of my head, open source options inclu= de: - RDKit (http://www.rdkit.org): you might need to write a simple sc= ript but there are plenty of examples and pre-made scripts available - BALLOON (http://users.abo.fi/mivainio/balloon/) - Confab (in OpenBabel: http://open-babel.readthedocs.io/en/latest/3= DStructureGen/multipleconformers.html) On the commercial side, academic bursaries for Cresset's XedeX conformation= hunter (http://www.cresset-group.com/products/xedtools/) are available, an= d I believe that Omega from Openeye is also available for free to qualifyin= g academics in some cases. Regards, Mark -- Mark Mackey Chief Scientific Officer Cresset New Cambridge House, Bassingbourn Road, Litlington, Cambridgeshire, SG8 0SS= , UK tel: +44 (0)1223 858890 mobile: +44 (0)7595 099165 fax: +44 (0)1223 8= 53667 email: mark.:.cresset-group.com web: www.cr= esset-group.com skype: mark_cresset > From: owner-chemistry+mark=3D=3Dcresset-bmd.com.:.ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemi= stry+mark=3D=3Dcresset-bmd.com.:.ccl.net] On Behalf Of Michael Morgan michael= morgan937%a%gmail.com Sent: 07 December 2016 03:52 To: Mark Mackey Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search Dear All, I am looking for a program/software to perform a local minimum geometry sea= rch. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry of a molecule an= d a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will use the "kick" energy = to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible other energ= y minimum geometries. My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not familiar wi= th MD programs capable of performing this type of search, although I am sur= e there must be many. Can someone give me a good suggestion? It would be the best if the program/software could: 1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry and set the "kick" ene= rgy/temperature. No script writing. 2) include reliable/popular force field; 3) tell me how many times each identified minimum geometry is found during = the search; Free software would be great, but if not we do have enough fund to purchase= . Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! Best regards, Michael Morgan --_000_AM3PR04MB129982D5E87F55189D603C8297850AM3PR04MB1299eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Michae= l,

&nbs= p;

MD is in = general an extremely inefficient way of doing conformation searches: none o= f the widely used conformer sampling programs in drug discovery use MD. Is = there a reason why you want MD as opposed to a stochastic, distance geometry or rule-based conformation search?=

&nbs= p;

There are= a number of free (as in beer), free-for-academic and open source conformer= sampling tools out there that may well do what you want, but the caveat is= likely to be the force field. If your molecules are not simple organics, then you are likely to have much more d= ifficulty finding software and a force field that will adequately describe = your system.

&nbs= p;

Assuming = simple organics, off the top of my head, open source options include:<= /o:p>

&nbs= p;

-        R= DKit (http://www.rdkit.org): you might= need to write a simple  script but there are plenty of examples and p= re-made scripts available

-        B= ALLOON (http://users.abo.= fi/mivainio/balloon/)

-        C= onfab (in OpenBabel: http://open-babel.readthedocs.io/en/latest/3DStructureGen/multipleconformer= s.html)

 

On the co= mmercial side, academic bursaries for Cresset’s XedeX conformation hu= nter (http://ww= w.cresset-group.com/products/xedtools/) are available, and I believe that Omega from Openeye is also available for= free to qualifying academics in some cases.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

--

Mark Mackey

Chief Scientific Officer

Cresset

New Cambridge House, Bassingbourn Road, Litlington, Cambridgeshire= , SG8 0SS, UK

tel: +44 (0)1223 858890    mobile: +44= (0)7595 099165    fax: +44 (0)1223 853667

email: mark.:.cresset-group.com    web: www.cresset-g= roup.com    skype: mark_cresset

 

&nbs= p;

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From: owner-chemistry+mark=3D=3Dcresset-bmd.com.:.ccl.net [mailto:o= wner-chemistry+mark=3D=3Dcresset-bmd.com.:.ccl.net] On Behalf Of Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com
Sent: 07 December 2016 03:52
To: Mark Mackey <mark.:.cresset-group.com>
Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search

 

Dear All,

 

I am looking for a program/soft= ware to perform a local minimum geometry search. Basically, I will input an= optimized minimum geometry of a molecule and a "kick" energy (or= temperature), the program will use the "kick" energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible oth= er energy minimum geometries.

 

My main research focuses on ab = initio calculations, so I am not familiar with MD programs capable of perfo= rming this type of search, although I am sure there must be many. Can someo= ne give me a good suggestion?

 

It would be the best if the pro= gram/software could:

 

1) be simple and easy: I can ju= st input the geometry and set the "kick" energy/temperature. No s= cript writing.

2) include reliable/popular for= ce field;

3) tell me how many times each = identified minimum geometry is found during the search;

 

Free software would be great, b= ut if not we do have enough fund to purchase.

 

Any suggestion will be greatly = appreciated!

 

Best regards,=

 

Michael Morgan

 

 

--_000_AM3PR04MB129982D5E87F55189D603C8297850AM3PR04MB1299eurp_-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 7 07:00:00 2016 From: "Norrby, Per-Ola Per-Ola.Norrby===astrazeneca.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search Message-Id: <-52547-161207013314-21988-Gd1Sc2wf+Tw5PmKMPvo9fA%a%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Norrby, Per-Ola" Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EE2CB0FD1DD94571A36386B16ED1FC82astrazenecacom_" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:33:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Norrby, Per-Ola" [Per-Ola.Norrby**astrazeneca.com] --_000_EE2CB0FD1DD94571A36386B16ED1FC82astrazenecacom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Michael, These tools have been more developed for molecular mechanics, but the princ= iples are the same for QM. What you describe is basically the method by Sau= nders. It's not the best method; a random cartesian displacement can genera= te strange, strained structures that take a long time to minimize. It is mo= re productive if you put some intelligence into the kick, basically avoidin= g stretching bonds too much. The best one I know for local searches of geom= etry is the Low Mode search, requires 2nd derivatives (Hessian). For more g= lobal search, I recommend a torsional kick. A very efficient combination of= these, for global searching in MM, is available in MacroModel, www.schrodi= nger.com . In that package, you can search usin= g MM, then refine using QM of your choice in Jaguar. If you actually want to include low energy bond breaking in you search, hav= e a look at the global reaction mapping from Ohno & Maeda, forgot the acron= ym, but I think it was from ca. 2004. /Per-Ola Sent from my iPhone On 7 Dec 2016, at 06:55, Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com > wrote= : Dear All, I am looking for a program/software to perform a local minimum geometry sea= rch. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry of a molecule an= d a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will use the "kick" energy = to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible other energ= y minimum geometries. My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not familiar wi= th MD programs capable of performing this type of search, although I am sur= e there must be many. Can someone give me a good suggestion? It would be the best if the program/software could: 1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry and set the "kick" ene= rgy/temperature. No script writing. 2) include reliable/popular force field; 3) tell me how many times each identified minimum geometry is found during = the search; Free software would be great, but if not we do have enough fund to purchase= . Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! Best regards, Michael Morgan ________________________________ Confidentiality Notice: This message is private and may contain confidentia= l and proprietary information. If you have received this message in error, = please notify us and remove it from your system and note that you must not = copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Any unauthorized use= or disclosure of the contents of this message is not permitted and may be = unlawful. --_000_EE2CB0FD1DD94571A36386B16ED1FC82astrazenecacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Michael,

These tools have been more developed for mol= ecular mechanics, but the principles are the same for QM. What you describe= is basically the method by Saunders. It's not the best method; a random ca= rtesian displacement can generate strange, strained structures that take a long time to minimize. It is more= productive if you put some intelligence into the kick, basically avoiding = stretching bonds too much. The best one I know for local searches of geomet= ry is the Low Mode search, requires 2nd derivatives (Hessian). For more global search, I recommend a torsional= kick. A very efficient combination of these, for global searching in MM, i= s available in MacroModel, www.schrodinger.com . In that pa= ckage, you can search using MM, then refine using QM of your choice in Jagu= ar.

If you actually want to include low energy b= ond breaking in you search, have a look at the global reaction mapping from= Ohno & Maeda, forgot the acronym, but I think it was from ca. 2004.

/Per-Ola

Sent from my iPhone

On 7 Dec 2016, at 06:55, Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com <o= wner-chemistry*ccl.net> wrote:

Dear All,

 

I am looking for a program/software to perform a loc= al minimum geometry search. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum ge= ometry of a molecule and a "kick" energy (or temperature), the pr= ogram will use the "kick" energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible other energy minimum g= eometries.

 

My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, = so I am not familiar with MD programs capable of performing this type of se= arch, although I am sure there must be many. Can someone give me a good sug= gestion?

 

It would be the best if the program/software could:<= o:p>

 

1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry= and set the "kick" energy/temperature. No script writing.

2) include reliable/popular force field;<= /p>

3) tell me how many times each identified minimum ge= ometry is found during the search;

 

Free software would be great, but if not we do have = enough fund to purchase.

 

Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated!

 

Best regards,

 

Michael Morgan

 

 


Confidentiality Notice: This message is private and may contain confidential and proprieta= ry information. If you have received this message in error, please notify u= s and remove it from your system and note that you must not copy, distribut= e or take any action in reliance on it. Any unauthorized use or disclosure of the contents of this message = is not permitted and may be unlawful.

--_000_EE2CB0FD1DD94571A36386B16ED1FC82astrazenecacom_-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 7 09:51:00 2016 From: "Gerhard Goldbeck gerhard^^^goldbeck-consulting.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search Message-Id: <-52548-161207071736-19311-E89d1liw94YrZPwA/AECLQ%a%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Gerhard Goldbeck Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------079F9D0DD8E6C43BD474BBE1" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:17:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Gerhard Goldbeck [gerhard[*]goldbeck-consulting.com] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------079F9D0DD8E6C43BD474BBE1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Michael, you could also consider a new, powerful and fast data-based approach: https://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/solutions/csd-enterprise/applications/conformer-generator/ Most universities have or have access to a licence. Best regards Gerhard * Dr Gerhard Goldbeck * Goldbeck Consulting Ltd * St John's Innovation Centre * Cambridge CB4 0WS * www.materialsmodelling.com * Tel: +44 1223 853201 * Mob: +44 7528 767667 * Skype: Gerhard.Goldbeck * Registered in England No. 7595583 European Materials Modelling Council: http://emmc.info On 07/12/2016 03:51, Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am looking for a program/software to perform a local minimum > geometry search. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry > of a molecule and a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will > use the "kick" energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as > many as possible other energy minimum geometries. > > My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not > familiar with MD programs capable of performing this type of search, > although I am sure there must be many. Can someone give me a good > suggestion? > > It would be the best if the program/software could: > > 1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry and set the > "kick" energy/temperature. No script writing. > > 2) include reliable/popular force field; > > 3) tell me how many times each identified minimum geometry is found > during the search; > > Free software would be great, but if not we do have enough fund to > purchase. > > Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! > > Best regards, > > Michael Morgan > --------------079F9D0DD8E6C43BD474BBE1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear Michael,

you could also consider a new, powerful and fast data-based approach:

https://www.ccdc.cam.ac.uk/solutions/csd-enterprise/applications/conformer-generator/

Most universities have or have access to a licence.

Best regards

Gerhard

  • Dr Gerhard Goldbeck
  • Goldbeck Consulting Ltd
  • St John's Innovation Centre
  • Cambridge CB4 0WS
  • www.materialsmodelling.com
  • Tel: +44 1223 853201
  • Mob: +44 7528 767667
  • Skype: Gerhard.Goldbeck
  • Registered in England No. 7595583
  • European Materials Modelling Council: http://emmc.info

On 07/12/2016 03:51, Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com wrote:

Dear All,

 

I am looking for a program/software to perform a local minimum geometry search. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry of a molecule and a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will use the "kick" energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible other energy minimum geometries.

 

My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not familiar with MD programs capable of performing this type of search, although I am sure there must be many. Can someone give me a good suggestion?

 

It would be the best if the program/software could:

 

1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry and set the "kick" energy/temperature. No script writing.

2) include reliable/popular force field;

3) tell me how many times each identified minimum geometry is found during the search;

 

Free software would be great, but if not we do have enough fund to purchase.

 

Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated!

 

Best regards,

 

Michael Morgan

 

 


--------------079F9D0DD8E6C43BD474BBE1-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 7 10:26:00 2016 From: "Franck Chevalier f.chevalier[A]acellera.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search Message-Id: <-52549-161207073112-24183-Qi/15h0q537V5ifM5IZkKA,+,server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Franck Chevalier" Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:31:10 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Franck Chevalier" [f.chevalier*o*acellera.com] Hi Michael, You can use HTMD (free for non-profit uses) to parameterize your molecule (a ligand, I assume) and then use adaptive sampling MD on the soft/rotatable torsions to explore the PES efficiently. Parameterization: install, and run `parameterize -h` Adaptive: https://www.htmd.org/docs/latest/tutorials/adaptive-sampling- basics.html General documentation: https://www.htmd.org/docs/latest/index.html Any questions, you can use: https://github.com/Acellera/htmd/issues or send us an e-mail to support%acellera.com The Acellera team. > "Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com" wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Michael Morgan" [michaelmorgan937:_:gmail.com] > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01D2500A.F256DE40 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Dear All, > > > > I am looking for a program/software to perform a local minimum geometry > search. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry of a molecule > and a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will use the "kick" energy > to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible other energy > minimum geometries. > > > > My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not familiar > with MD programs capable of performing this type of search, although I am > sure there must be many. Can someone give me a good suggestion? > > > > It would be the best if the program/software could: > > > > 1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry and set the "kick" > energy/temperature. No script writing. > > 2) include reliable/popular force field; > > 3) tell me how many times each identified minimum geometry is found during > the search; > > > > Free software would be great, but if not we do have enough fund to purchase. > > > > > Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Michael Morgan > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01D2500A.F256DE40 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = > charset=3Dus-ascii"> (filtered medium)"> link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">

class=3DMsoNormal>Dear All,

class=3DMsoNormal> 

I am looking = > for a program/software to perform a local minimum geometry search. = > Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry of a molecule and = > a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will use the = > "kick" energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as = > many as possible other energy minimum geometries.

class=3DMsoNormal> 

My main = > research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not familiar with MD = > programs capable of performing this type of search, although I am sure = > there must be many. Can someone give me a good suggestion? = >

 

class=3DMsoNormal>It would be the best if the program/software = > could:

 

class=3DMsoNormal>1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry = > and set the "kick" energy/temperature. No script = > writing.

2) include reliable/popular = > force field;

3) tell me how many = > times each identified minimum geometry is found during the = > search;

 

class=3DMsoNormal>Free software would be great, but if not we do have = > enough fund to purchase.

class=3DMsoNormal> 

Any = > suggestion will be greatly appreciated!

class=3DMsoNormal> 

Best = > regards,

 

class=3DMsoNormal>Michael Morgan

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> ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01D2500A.F256DE40-- > > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 7 11:01:00 2016 From: "Alcides Simao alsimao() gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: software for energy minima search Message-Id: <-52550-161207075134-1885-A6L6BVUmH5IptbV287yqZg**server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Alcides Simao Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c6b2ab24c45054310fabf Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:51:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Alcides Simao [alsimao###gmail.com] --089e013c6b2ab24c45054310fabf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Michael, Per-Ola was talking about the Scaled Hypersphere Search (SHS) method by Ohno and Maeda (Ohno, K.; Maeda, S. *Chem. Phys. Lett.* *2004*, *384*, 277) Best, Alcides Norrby, Per-Ola Per-Ola.Norrby=3D=3D=3Dastrazeneca.com escreveu no dia quarta, 7/12/2016 =C3=A0s 12:38: > Dear Michael, > > These tools have been more developed for molecular mechanics, but the > principles are the same for QM. What you describe is basically the method > by Saunders. It's not the best method; a random cartesian displacement ca= n > generate strange, strained structures that take a long time to minimize. = It > is more productive if you put some intelligence into the kick, basically > avoiding stretching bonds too much. The best one I know for local searche= s > of geometry is the Low Mode search, requires 2nd derivatives (Hessian). F= or > more global search, I recommend a torsional kick. A very efficient > combination of these, for global searching in MM, is available in > MacroModel, www.schrodinger.com . In that package, you can search using > MM, then refine using QM of your choice in Jaguar. > > If you actually want to include low energy bond breaking in you search, > have a look at the global reaction mapping from Ohno & Maeda, forgot the > acronym, but I think it was from ca. 2004. > > /Per-Ola > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 7 Dec 2016, at 06:55, Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com < > owner-chemistry,,ccl.net> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I am looking for a program/software to perform a local minimum geometry > search. Basically, I will input an optimized minimum geometry of a molecu= le > and a "kick" energy (or temperature), the program will use the "kick" > energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible > other energy minimum geometries. > > > > My main research focuses on ab initio calculations, so I am not familiar > with MD programs capable of performing this type of search, although I am > sure there must be many. Can someone give me a good suggestion? > > > > It would be the best if the program/software could: > > > > 1) be simple and easy: I can just input the geometry and set the "kick" > energy/temperature. No script writing. > > 2) include reliable/popular force field; > > 3) tell me how many times each identified minimum geometry is found durin= g > the search; > > > > Free software would be great, but if not we do have enough fund to > purchase. > > > > Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Michael Morgan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Confidentiality Notice: *This message is private and may contain > confidential and proprietary information. If you have received this messa= ge > in error, please notify us and remove it from your system and note that y= ou > must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. Any > unauthorized use or disclosure of the contents of this message is not > permitted and may be unlawful. > > -- Alcides Pinto Sim=C3=A3o, AMRSC, PhD. Student University of Coimbra Office: +351 239 852 080 / Fax: +351 239 827 703 Departamento de Qu=C3=ADmica da Universidade de Coimbra, 3004-535 COIMBRA, PORTUGAL Website: http://www.qui.uc.pt/ This e-mail message may contain confidential or legally privileged information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or the taking of any action in reliance on the information herein is prohibited. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, or contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with us by e-mail is deemed to have accepted these risks. University of Coimbra is not responsible for errors or omissions in this message and denies any responsibility for any damage arising from the use of e-mail. Any opinion and other statement contained in this message and any attachment are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. [image: Follow me on ResearchGate] --089e013c6b2ab24c45054310fabf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Michael,

Per-Ola was talking about= the Scaled Hypersphere Search (SHS) method by= Ohno and Maeda (Ohno, K.; Maeda, S.=C2=A0Chem. Phys. Lett.=C2=A02004,=C2=A038= 4, 277)

Best,=

Alcides

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Norrby, Per-Ola Per-Ola.Norrby=3D=3D=3Dastrazeneca.com <owner-chemistry##ccl.net> escreveu no dia quarta, 7/12/2016 = =C3=A0s 12:38:
Dear Michael,
The= se tools have been more developed for molecular mechanics, but the principl= es are the same for QM. What you describe is basically the method by Saunde= rs. It's not the best method; a random cartesian displacement can gener= ate strange, strained structures that take a long time to minimize. It is more= productive if you put some intelligence into the kick, basically avoiding = stretching bonds too much. The best one I know for local searches of geomet= ry is the Low Mode search, requires 2nd derivatives (Hessian). For more global search, I recommend a torsional= kick. A very efficient combination of these, for global searching in MM, i= s available in MacroModel, www.schrodinger.com . In that package, you can search using MM, then = refine using QM of your choice in Jaguar.
If = you actually want to include low energy bond breaking in you search, have a= look at the global reaction mapping from Ohno & Maeda, forgot the acro= nym, but I think it was from ca. 2004.
/Pe= r-Ola

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On 7 Dec 2016, at 06:55, Michael Morgan michaelmorgan937%a%gmail.com <owner-chemistry,,ccl.net> wrote:

Dear All,

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I am looking for a program/software to per= form a local minimum geometry search. Basically, I will input an optimized = minimum geometry of a molecule and a "kick" energy (or temperatur= e), the program will use the "kick" energy to overcome energy barriers on PES and find as many as possible other energy minimum g= eometries.

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My main research focuses on ab initio calc= ulations, so I am not familiar with MD programs capable of performing this = type of search, although I am sure there must be many. Can someone give me = a good suggestion?

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It would be the best if the program/softwa= re could:

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1) be simple and easy: I can just input th= e geometry and set the "kick" energy/temperature. No script writi= ng.

2) include reliable/popular force field;

3) tell me how many times each identified = minimum geometry is found during the search;

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Free software would be great, but if not w= e do have enough fund to purchase.

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Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated= !

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Best regards,

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Michael Morgan<= u class=3D"gmail_msg">

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