From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Jun 26 11:16:01 2016 From: "Partha Sengupta anapspsmo]=[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: NBO Message-Id: <-52249-160626105836-10859-K0H6fmH09svLzZmAjboa7w()server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Partha Sengupta Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ad2781b280a05362fa3d9 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 20:28:30 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Partha Sengupta [anapspsmo.%.gmail.com] --001a113ad2781b280a05362fa3d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Friends, Is there any one who can help me doing some NBO analysis with NBO 6 package. Partha -- *Dr. Partha Sarathi SenguptaAssociate ProfessorVivekananda Mahavidyalaya, Burdwan* --001a113ad2781b280a05362fa3d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Friends, Is there any one who can help me doing some = NBO analysis with NBO 6 package.
Partha

--
Dr. Partha Sarathi Sengupta
Associate= Professor
Vivekananda Mahavidyalaya, Burdwan
=
--001a113ad2781b280a05362fa3d9-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Jun 26 13:22:01 2016 From: "Wojciech Kolodziejczyk dziecial],[icnanotox.org" To: CCL Subject: CCL: NBO Message-Id: <-52250-160626132123-14749-jW4mtityKirPmvh88S6b9A[-]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Wojciech Kolodziejczyk Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114dd8ded2a115053631898d Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:14:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Wojciech Kolodziejczyk [dziecial:+:icnanotox.org] --001a114dd8ded2a115053631898d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is your problem? 26 cze 2016 11:43 "Partha Sengupta anapspsmo]=3D[gmail.com" < owner-chemistry###ccl.net> napisa=C5=82(a): > Friends, Is there any one who can help me doing some NBO analysis with NB= O > 6 package. > Partha > > -- > > > *Dr. Partha Sarathi SenguptaAssociate ProfessorVivekananda Mahavidyalaya, > Burdwan* > --001a114dd8ded2a115053631898d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What is your problem?

26 cze 2016 11:43 "Partha Sengupta anapspsm= o]=3D[gmail.com" <owner-chemistry###ccl.net> napisa=C5=82(a):=
Friends, Is there any one who can help me doing some NBO analysis with N= BO 6 package.
Partha

--
Dr. Partha= Sarathi Sengupta
Associate Professor
Vivekananda Mahavidyalaya, Burd= wan
--001a114dd8ded2a115053631898d-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Jun 26 17:44:00 2016 From: "Henrique C. S. Junior henriquecsj(~)gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Coupling constant (Jab) - Why more unpaired electrons means a smaller coupling? Message-Id: <-52251-160626170549-20062-XkVvko+N4sBQ+5McTisWnA#,#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Henrique C. S. Junior" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c3977164-5d02-4840-ac2a-08a3637b3bfa_" Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:05:41 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Henrique C. S. Junior" [henriquecsj**gmail.com] --_c3977164-5d02-4840-ac2a-08a3637b3bfa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=2C Swetanshu=2CIt is not an easy task to decide what configuration is co= rrect to describe the magnetic couplings in a polynuclear system. The best = approach is to compare the various solutions with an experimental magnetic = susceptibility curve using a statistical fit software (like origin). ----------Henrique C. S. Junior Qu=EDmico Industrial - UFRRJ Mestrando em Qu=EDmica Inorg=E2nica - UFRRJ Centro de Processamento de Dados - PMP > From: owner-chemistry() ccl.net To: henriquecsj() gmail.com Subject: CCL: Coupling constant (Jab) - Why more unpaired electrons means a= smaller coupling? Date: Fri=2C 24 Jun 2016 11:45:36 +0100 Hi All=2C I have a question somewhat related to this topic. When working out the J va= lues in a system with more than 3 metal atoms=2C there are many different s= olutions. Each solutions is obtained by choosing a different set of equati= ons. From the above discussion it seems to me that the large differeence in= the solutions are due to the large number of unpaired electrons and the re= duction in the spacing between levels at higher energy. Due to this=2C depe= nding upon the states under consideration the J values obtained would diffe= r (please correct me if I am wrong). But how does one decide as to which se= t of solution is appropriate.=20 Thanks=2CSwetanshu. On 12 June 2016 at 00:27=2C James Buchwald buchwja/rpi.edu wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi Henrique=2C =0A= =20 =0A= The diminishing Jab that you're predicting assumes that (E[HS] -=0A= E[BS]) does not grow as quickly as the spin term in the=0A= denominator. Depending on the system=2C this is not necessarily the=0A= case=2C and the energy spacing can grow faster. =0A= =20 =0A= The reason that the equations appear to cause this is that the=0A= Heisenberg-Dirac-van Vleck Hamiltonian (which the three equations=0A= were derived from) has a "spin ladder" of solutions ranging from the=0A= low-spin to the high-spin states. If your low-spin state is a=0A= singlet=2C you'll also have triplets=2C pentets=2C and so on until you= =0A= reach the high-spin state. Similarly=2C if you start from a doublet=2C= =0A= you'll have intermediate quartets=2C etc. =0A= =20 =0A= As you introduce more and more unpaired electrons=2C the spin of the=0A= high-spin state increases - but all of the intermediate states=0A= between the high-spin and low-spin limits still exist. You can work=0A= out the splitting between these individual states in terms of J=2C and= =0A= what ends up happening is that the states spread out. The=0A= denominator essentially corrects for that spacing=2C rather than=0A= saying anything about the strength of the magnetic coupling. =0A= =20 =0A= Best=2C =0A= James =0A= =20 =0A= On 06/11/2016 05:54 PM=2C Henrique C. S.=0A= Junior henriquecsj-x-gmail.com wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I=0A= hope this is not a "homework" question=2C but I'm having a=0A= bad time trying to figure this out.=0A= Available=0A= literature proposes 3 equations to calculate the coupling=0A= constant during a Broken-Symmetry approach:=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= J(1)=0A= =3D -(E[HS]-E[BS])/Smax**2=0A= J(2)=0A= =3D -(E[HS]-E[BS])/(Smax*(Smax+1))=0A= J(3)=0A= =3D -(E[HS]-E[BS])/(HS-BS)=0A= =20 =0A= =0A= I'm=0A= intrigued by the fact that=2C from the equations=2C the more= =0A= the system have unpaired electrons=2C the minor will be Jab.= =0A= Why does this happen? Doesn't more unpaired electrons=0A= increase magnetic momenta (and an increase in magnetic=0A= coupling)?=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= --=20 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Henrique C. S. Junior =0A= Qu=EDmico Industrial - UFRRJ=0A= Mestrando em Qu=EDmica=0A= Inorg=E2nica - UFRRJ =0A= Centro de Processamento de Dados - PMP =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= -- =0A= James R. Buchwald=0A= Doctoral Candidate=2C Theoretical Chemistry=0A= Dinolfo Laboratory=0A= Dept. of Chemistry and Chemical Biology=0A= Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute=0A= http://www.rpi.edu/~buchwj=0A= =0A= =0A= = --_c3977164-5d02-4840-ac2a-08a3637b3bfa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=2C Swetanshu=2C
It is not an easy task to decide what configuration is = correct to describe the magnetic couplings in a polynuclear system. The bes= t approach is to compare the various solutions with an experimental magneti= c susceptibility curve using a statistical fit software (like origin).


----------=
Hen= rique C. S. Junior
Qu=EDmico Industrial - UFRRJ
Mestrando em Qu=EDmica I= norg=E2nica - UFRRJ
Centro de Processamento de Dados - PMP


From: owner-chemistry() ccl.net
To: hen= riquecsj() gmail.com
Subject: CCL: Coupling constant (Jab) - Why more unpa= ired electrons means a smaller coupling?
Date: Fri=2C 24 Jun 2016 11:45:= 36 +0100

Hi All=2C

I have a ques= tion somewhat related to this topic. When working out the J values in a sys= tem with more than 3 metal atoms=2C there are many different solutions.&nbs= p=3B Each solutions is obtained by choosing a different set of equations. F= rom the above discussion it seems to me that the large differeence in the s= olutions are due to the large number of unpaired electrons and the reductio= n in the spacing between levels at higher energy. Due to this=2C depending = upon the states under consideration the J values obtained would differ (ple= ase correct me if I am wrong). But how does one decide as to which set of s= olution is appropriate.

Thanks=2C
S= wetanshu.

On 12 June 2016 at 00:27=2C James Buchwald buchwja/rpi.edu <=3Bowner-chemistry=2Cccl.net<= /a>>=3B wrote:
=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A= Hi Henrique=2C
=0A=
=0A= The diminishing Jab that you're predicting assumes that (E[HS] -=0A= E[BS]) does not grow as quickly as the spin term in the=0A= denominator. =3B Depending on the system=2C this is not necessarily= the=0A= case=2C and the energy spacing can grow faster.
=0A=
=0A= The reason that the equations appear to cause this is that the=0A= Heisenberg-Dirac-van Vleck Hamiltonian (which the three equations=0A= were derived from) has a "spin ladder" of solutions ranging from the=0A= low-spin to the high-spin states. =3B If your low-spin state is a= =0A= singlet=2C you'll also have triplets=2C pentets=2C and so on until you= =0A= reach the high-spin state. =3B Similarly=2C if you start from a dou= blet=2C=0A= you'll have intermediate quartets=2C etc.
=0A=
=0A= As you introduce more and more unpaired electrons=2C the spin of the=0A= high-spin state increases - but all of the intermediate states=0A= between the high-spin and low-spin limits still exist. =3B You can = work=0A= out the splitting between these individual states in terms of J=2C and= =0A= what ends up happening is that the states spread out. =3B The=0A= denominator essentially corrects for that spacing=2C rather than=0A= saying anything about the strength of the magnetic coupling.
=0A=
=0A= Best=2C
=0A= James
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
I=0A= hope this is not a "homework" question=2C but I'm having a=0A= bad time trying to figure this out.
=0A=
Available=0A= literature proposes 3 equations to calculate the coupling=0A= constant during a Broken-Symmetry approach:
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
J(1)=0A= =3D -(E[HS]-E[BS])/Smax**2
=0A=
J(2)=0A= =3D -(E[HS]-E[BS])/(Smax*(Smax+1))
=0A=
J(3)=0A= =3D -(E[HS]-E[BS])/(<=3BS**2>=3BHS-<=3BS**2>=3BBS)
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
I'm=0A= intrigued by the fact that=2C from the equations=2C the more= =0A= the system have unpaired electrons=2C the minor will be Jab.= =0A= Why does this happen? Doesn't more unpaired electrons=0A= increase magnetic momenta (and an increase in magnetic=0A= coupling)?
=0A=
=0A=

=0A=
=0A= --
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
Henr= ique C. S. Junior
=0A= Qu=EDmico Industrial - UFRRJ
=0A=
Mestrando em Qu=EDmica=0A= Inorg=E2nica - UFRRJ
=0A= Centro de Processamento de Dados - PMP

= =0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
-- =0A=
James R. Buchwald=0A=
Doctoral Candidate=2C Theoretical Chemistry=0A=
Dinolfo Laboratory=0A=
Dept. of Chemistry and Chemical Biology=0A=
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute=0A=
http://www.rpi.edu=
/~buchwj
=0A=
=0A= =0A=

= --_c3977164-5d02-4840-ac2a-08a3637b3bfa_--