From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sat Dec 20 12:40:01 2014 From: "Laurence Cuffe cuffe[a]mac.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: CCL Nerve Impulse Message-Id: <-50838-141220044759-25462-ju4MYHdnXHJY6q6UkB2TYQ-*-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Laurence Cuffe" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 04:47:57 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Laurence Cuffe" [cuffe=-=mac.com] On Dec 18, 2014, at 04:27 PM, "Partha Sengupta anapspsmo]|[gmail.com" wrote: Friends, We know that some electrical impulse acts in between axon and dendron in the synaptic region of nerve. As this impulse is electrical in nature, it may polarize the nearby molecules , i.e. serotonin and different antidepressant molecule. I am unable to find any information/ published work/ books related to it. If possible help me. Partha Its an interesting point. I think the induced electric fields are likely to be too small to have a significant effect, unless the molecules are directly taking part in the reaction at the interface. This being due to the inverse square law for field effects, and dielectric shielding by any water molecules present. This is not however an informed opinion, as I am not a molecular biochemist. All the best Dr Laurence Cuffe From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sat Dec 20 14:50:01 2014 From: "Jim Kress ccl_nospam---kressworks.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: CCL Nerve Impulse Message-Id: <-50839-141220144444-26887-t6uL18gDnaAK1vLV1zruCQ##server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:44:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam..##..kressworks.com] Would there be a difference in effect of electric fields and electromagnetic fields? Jim -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com.##.ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+jimkress35==gmail.com.##.ccl.net] On Behalf Of Laurence Cuffe cuffe[a]mac.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:48 AM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: CCL Nerve Impulse Sent to CCL by: "Laurence Cuffe" [cuffe=-=mac.com] On Dec 18, 2014, at 04:27 PM, "Partha Sengupta anapspsmo]|[gmail.com" wrote: Friends, We know that some electrical impulse acts in between axon and dendron in the synaptic region of nerve. As this impulse is electrical in nature, it may polarize the nearby molecules , i.e. serotonin and different antidepressant molecule. I am unable to find any information/ published work/ books related to it. If possible help me. Partha Its an interesting point. I think the induced electric fields are likely to be too small to have a significant effect, unless the molecules are directly taking part in the reaction at the interface. This being due to the inverse square law for field effects, and dielectric shielding by any water molecules present. This is not however an informed opinion, as I am not a molecular biochemist. All the best Dr Laurence Cuffehttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sat Dec 20 15:59:01 2014 From: "Cina Foroutan-Nejad canyslopus]![yahoo.co.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL: CCL Nerve Impulse Message-Id: <-50840-141220155537-30654-gS6kJct8C2zFQ7zgOw3Ohg!^!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Cina Foroutan-Nejad Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1199570_1674361576.1419108894827" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Cina Foroutan-Nejad [canyslopus+*+yahoo.co.uk] ------=_Part_1199570_1674361576.1419108894827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An electric field can lower the energy of excited-states and influence the = potential energy surface. It can affect the reaction kinetics and thermodyn= amics (See=C2=A0Phys.=C2=A0Rev.=C2=A0A:=C2=A0At.,=C2=A0Mol.,=C2=A0Opt.=C2= =A0Phys.,=C2=A02000,61,=C2=A0051402(R);=C2=A0PCCP, 2014, 16, 2508). It has = been suggested that electric fields may affect some of processes in biologi= cal systems. See for example (PCCP, 2011, 13, 13738;=C2=A0Future Med. Chem.= 2012, 4,1873;=C2=A0PCCP, 2014, 16, 1873) for effect of electric field on r= eaction rates in biological systems. If systems involved in the process are= charged then situation can be really tricky; for influence of electric fie= lds on charged systems see PCCP, 2014, 16, 2508.But magnetic field should b= e really strong to influence potential energy surface. A magnetic field as = strong as that of neutron stars may really do some thing! See Science, 2012= , 327. Best wishesCina-------------------------------------------------Cina Forout= an-Nejad, PhD,CEITEC Central European Institute of Technology,Masaryk Unive= rsity, BrnoCzech Republichttps://muni.academia.edu/CinaForoutanNejad =20 On Saturday, 20 December 2014, 21:35, Jim Kress ccl_nospam---kresswork= s.com wrote: =20 =20 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam.[a].kressworks.com] Would there be a difference in effect of electric fields and electromagneti= c fields? Jim -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+jimkress35=3D=3Dgmail.com%x%ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+jimkress35=3D=3Dgmail.com%x%ccl.net] On Behalf Of L= aurence Cuffe cuffe[a]mac.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:48 AM To: Kress, Jim=20 Subject: CCL: CCL Nerve Impulse Sent to CCL by: "Laurence=C2=A0 Cuffe" [cuffe=3D-=3Dmac.com] On Dec 18, 201= 4, at 04:27 PM, "Partha Sengupta anapspsmo]|[gmail.com" wrote: Friends, We know that some electrical impulse acts in between axon and dendron in the synaptic region of nerve. As this impulse is electrical in nature, it may polarize the nearby molecules , i.e.=20 serotonin and different antidepressant molecule. I am unable to find any information/ published work/ books related to it. If possible help me. Partha =20 Its an interesting point. I think the induced electric fields are likely to be too small to have a significant effect, unless the molecules are directl= y taking part in the reaction at the interface. This being due to the inverse square law for field effects, and dielectric shielding by any water molecules present. This is not however an informed opinion, as I am not a molecular biochemist. All the best Dr Laurence Cuffehttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.= ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script =3D-=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subscribe/Unsubscribe:=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Job: http://www.ccl.net/jobs=20=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0------=_Part_1199570_1674361576.1419108894827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An electric field can lower the energy of ex= cited-states and influence the potential energy surface. It can affect the = reaction kinetics and thermodynamics (See Phys. Rev. A: At., Mol.,&n= bsp;Opt. Phys., 2000, 61, 051402(R); PCCP= , 2014, 16, 2508). It has been suggested that electric fie= lds may affect some of processes in biological systems. See for example (PC= CP, 2011, 13, 13738; Future Med. Chem. 2012, 4, 1873; PCCP, 2014, 16, 1873) for effect of electric field on rea= ction rates in biological systems. If systems involved in the process are c= harged then situation can be really tricky; for influence of electric field= s on charged systems see PCCP, 2014, 16, 2508.
But magnetic field should be really strong to influence potential ener= gy surface. A magnetic field as strong as that of neutron stars may really = do some thing! See Science, 2012, 327.

Best wishes
Cina
-------------------------------------------------
Cina = Foroutan-Nejad, PhD,
CEITEC Central European Institute of Techno= logy,
= Masaryk University, Brno
Czech Republic


On Sat= urday, 20 December 2014, 21:35, Jim Kress ccl_nospam---kressworks.com <o= wner-chemistry[a]ccl.net> wrote:



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Would there be a difference in effect of = electric fields and electromagnetic
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Jim

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Sent to CCL by: "Laurence  Cuffe" [cuffe=3D-=3Dmac.com] On Dec 18,= 2014, at
04:27 PM, "Partha Sengupta anapspsmo]|[gmail.com"
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wrote:

Friends, We know that some electr= ical impulse acts in between axon and
dendron in the synaptic region of = nerve. As this impulse is electrical in
nature, it may polarize the near= by molecules , i.e.
serotonin and different antidepressant molecule. I = am unable to find any
information/ published work/ books related to it.<= br>If possible help me.
Partha

Its an interesting point. I think= the induced electric fields are likely to
be too small to have a signif= icant effect, unless the molecules are directly
taking part in the react= ion at the interface. This being due to the inverse
square law for field= effects, and dielectric shielding by any water
molecules present. This = is not however an informed opinion, as I am not a
molecular biochemist.<= br>All the best
Dr Laurence Cuffehttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl= _messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spam= mers.txt


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