From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Jul 31 07:16:00 2014 From: "Krati Joshi kjjulie.joshi_+_gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Determining Sigma and Pi (back bonding) contributions using Gaussian 0 Message-Id: <-50372-140731071409-14124-kByFHehVPA68v9MnNtWxIg+*+server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Krati Joshi" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:14:03 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Krati Joshi" [kjjulie.joshi-.-gmail.com] Dear All, I am working on some transition metal complexes with TPy ligand using gaussian 09 (DFT/PBE). I want to know how to determine the contributions of sigma and pi bonding (pi back bonding). If anybody have any information (sites, article etc) regarding this, please write back to me. It will be of great help to me. Thanks and Regards Krati Joshi CSIR-Central Electrochemical Research Institute (CECRI) Karaikudi, Tamil Nadu INDIA Email: kjjulie.joshi-at-gmail.com From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Jul 31 07:51:00 2014 From: "Cina Foroutan-Nejad canyslopus:yahoo.co.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Determining Sigma and Pi (back bonding) contributions using Gaussian 0 Message-Id: <-50373-140731074302-18716-pHZjM1MD3nrg5jtt5OusFg_._server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Cina Foroutan-Nejad Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1639451963-1968191659-1406806975=:40187" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:42:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Cina Foroutan-Nejad [canyslopus#%#yahoo.co.uk] ---1639451963-1968191659-1406806975=:40187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Krati,=0A=0AFor a brief example of almost all methods available in lit= erature for analyzing donation/back-donation see=0APhys. Chem. Chem. Phys.,= 2011, 13, 4576.=0AWe had to deal with a very unusual metal carbonyl comple= x; so, we examined everything introduced by that time.=0A=0AAll the best,= =0ACina=0A=0A--------------------------------------------------------------= ---=0ACina Foroutan-Nejad, PhD,=0ANational Center for Biomolecular Research= ,=0AMasaryk University, Brno,=0ACzech Republic=0Ahttps://muni.academia.edu/= CinaForoutanNejad=0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, 31 July 2014, 13:36, Krati Joshi kjj= ulie.joshi_+_gmail.com wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ASent= to CCL by: "Krati=A0 Joshi" [kjjulie.joshi-.-gmail.com]=0ADear All,=0A=0A= =0AI am working on some transition metal=0A complexes with TPy ligand using= gaussian 09 (DFT/PBE). I want to know how to determine the contributions o= f sigma and pi bonding (pi back bonding). If anybody have any information (= sites, article etc) regarding this, please write back to me. It will be of = great help to me.=0A=0A=0AThanks and Regards=0AKrati Joshi=0ACSIR-Central E= lectrochemical Research Institute (CECRI)=0AKaraikudi, Tamil Nadu=0AINDIA= =0AEmail: kjjulie.joshi-at-gmail.com=0A=0A=0A=0A-=3D This is automatically = added to each message by the mailing script =3D-=0ATo recover the email add= ress of the author of the message, please change=0Athe strange characters o= n the top line to the ++ sign. You can also=0Alook up the X-Original-From: l= ine in the mail header.=0A=0AE-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY++ccl.net or us= e:=0A=A0 =A0 =A0=0A=0AE-mai= l to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST++ccl.net or use=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 http://= www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message=0A=0A=0A=A0= =A0 =A0=0A=0ABefore posting, = check wait time at: http://www.ccl.net=0A=0A= =0A= =0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 ==0A=0ARTFI: http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/abo= utccl/instructions/ ---1639451963-1968191659-1406806975=:40187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Krati,

For= a brief example of almost all methods available in literature for analyzing donation/back-donation see
Phys. Chem. Che= m. Phys., 2011, 13, 4576.
We had to deal with a very unusual metal carbonyl complex; so, = we examined everything introduced by that time.

All the best,
Cina

------------------------------------= -----------------------------
Cina Foroutan-Nejad, PhD,
National Center for Biomolecular Research,
Masaryk University, Brno,
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https://muni.academia.edu/CinaForoutanNejad

On Thursday, 31 July 2014, 13:36, Krati Joshi kjjulie.joshi_+_gmail.= com <owner-chemistry++ccl.net> wrote:



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Dear All,

I am working on some transition metal=0A complexes = with TPy ligand using gaussian 09 (DFT/PBE). I want to know how to determin= e the contributions of sigma and pi bonding (pi back bonding). If anybody h= ave any information (sites, article etc) regarding this, please write back = to me. It will be of great help to me.


Thanks and Regards
Krati Joshi
CSIR-Central Electrochemic= al Research Institute (CECRI)
Karaikudi, Tamil Nad= u
INDIA
Email: kjjulie.jo= shi-at-gmail.com



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---1639451963-1968191659-1406806975=:40187-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Jul 31 09:59:00 2014 From: "Tian Lu sobereva\a/sina.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Determining Sigma and Pi (back bonding) contributions using Message-Id: <-50374-140731091000-9868-bP80qyjeyaNQQXdqqsnzsg]^[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Tian Lu" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:09:59 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Tian Lu" [sobereva:+:sina.com] Hi, You may consider employing Charge Decomposition Analyais (CDA), which is a method very popular for analyzing interaction between transition metals and ligands in complexes, see J. Phys. Chem. 1995, 99, 9352-9362 for details and examples. Several programs support CDA, Multiwfn is one them and freely available at http://Multiwfn.codeplex.com. Some example of performing CDA is shown in Section 4.16 of its manual. Best wishes, Tian Lu Beijing Kein Research Center for Natural Sciences Beijing, P. R. China ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krati Joshi kjjulie.joshi_+_gmail.com" To: "Lu, Tian " Subject: CCL:G: Determining Sigma and Pi (back bonding) contributions using Gaussian 0 Date: 2014-07-31 19:14 Sent to CCL by: "Krati Joshi" [kjjulie.joshi-.-gmail.com] Dear All, I am working on some transition metal complexes with TPy ligand using gaussian 09 (DFT/PBE). I want to know how to determine the contributions of sigma and pi bonding (pi back bonding). If anybody have any information (sites, article etc) regarding this, please write back to me. It will be of great help to me. Thanks and Regards Krati Joshi CSIR-Central Electrochemical Research Institute (CECRI) Karaikudi, Tamil Nadu INDIA Email: kjjulie.joshi-at-gmail.comhttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Jul 31 11:45:00 2014 From: "Mariusz Radon mariusz.radon-*-gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Determining Sigma and Pi (back bonding) contributions using Gaussian 0 Message-Id: <-50375-140731114402-32153-Q5SjJ7Nj5VwV7lG80kgEOA[a]server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Mariusz Radon Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:43:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Mariusz Radon [mariusz.radon*_*gmail.com] On 07/31/2014 01:14 PM, Krati Joshi kjjulie.joshi_+_gmail.com wrote: > I am working on some transition metal complexes with TPy ligand using gaussian 09 (DFT/PBE). I want to know how to determine the contributions of sigma and pi bonding (pi back bonding). If anybody have any information (sites, article etc) regarding this, please write back to me. It will be of great help to me. > > > Thanks and Regards > Krati Joshi Dear Krati: In addition to other suggested methodologies, Natural Orbitals for Chemical Valence (NOCV) analysis may be the right tool for your purpose. Best regards, Mariusz Radon -- Dr Mariusz Radon, Ph.D. Coordination Chemistry Group Faculty of Chemistry Jagiellonian University ul. Ingardena 3, 30-060 Krakow, Poland http://www2.chemia.uj.edu.pl/~mradon From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Thu Jul 31 17:05:00 2014 From: "Mehdi Esrafili m_esrafili ~ yahoo.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Determining Sigma and Pi (back bonding) contributions using Gaussian 0 Message-Id: <-50376-140731163825-10564-bLh7h+6wlD4Roe020u5nzg(_)server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Mehdi Esrafili Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="321887170-656867668-1406838930=:25763" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:35:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Mehdi Esrafili [m_esrafili],[yahoo.com] --321887170-656867668-1406838930=:25763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Krati,=0AThis is simply a case of energy decomposition partitioning. A= s I=A0 know, Gaussian program can not do this. However, you may use the GAM= ESS. In GAMESS, by using Morokuma's energy decomposition, one can find meta= l to ligand and ligand to metal energy terms. Also, the ADF package is able= to calculate these energy terms.=0ASincerely,=0AMehdi=0A=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A---= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------=A0=A0=0A`The man who makes= no mistakes does not usually make anything.'=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ed= ward John Phelps (1822-1900)=0A--------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- =0AMehdi D. Esrafili, Ph.D.=0AAssistant Professor of Physical Chemi= stry=A0=0ACurrent address:=A0Department of Chemistry, =0AFaculty of Basic S= ciences,University of=0AMaragheh, Iran. =0AE-mail 1:m_esrafili ~ yahoo.com=0A= E-mail 2: esrafili ~ maragheh.ac.ir=0A---------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:04 AM, Mariusz Radon mar= iusz.radon-*-gmail.com wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ASent= to CCL by: Mariusz Radon [mariusz.radon*_*gmail.com]=0AOn 07/31/2014 01:14= PM, Krati Joshi kjjulie.joshi_+_gmail.com wrote:=0A> I am working on some = transition metal complexes with TPy ligand using gaussian 09 (DFT/PBE). I w= ant to know how to determine the contributions of sigma and pi bonding (pi = back bonding). If anybody have any information (sites, article etc) regardi= ng this, please write back to me. It will be of great help to me.=0A> =0A> = =0A> Thanks and Regards=0A> Krati Joshi=0A=0ADear Krati:=0A=0AIn addition t= o other suggested methodologies, Natural Orbitals for=0AChemical Valence (N= OCV) analysis may be the right tool for your purpose.=0A=0ABest regards,=0A= Mariusz Radon=0A=0A=0A-- =0ADr Mariusz Radon, Ph.D.=0ACoordination Chemistr= y Group=0AFaculty of Chemistry=0AJagiellonian University=0Aul. Ingardena 3,= 30-060 Krakow, Poland=0Ahttp://www2.chemia.uj.edu.pl/~mradon=0A=0A=0A=0A-= =3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script =3D-= =0A= =0A=0Aloo= k up the X-Original-From: line in the mail header.=0A=0AE-mail to subscribe= rs: CHEMISTRY ~ ccl.net or use:=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/= send_ccl_message=0A=0AE-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST ~ ccl.net o= r use=0A=A0 =A0 =A0=0A=0ASu= bscribe/Unsubscribe: =0A=A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.= shtml=0A=0A=0A=0AJob:= http://www.ccl.net/jobs =0AConferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/an= nouncements/conferences/=0A=0ASearch Messages: http://www.ccl.net/chemistry= /searchccl/index.shtml=0A=0AIf your mail bounces from CCL with 5.7.1 error,= check:=0A=A0 =A0 =A0=0A=0ARTFI: http://www= .ccl.net/chemistry/aboutccl/instructions/ --321887170-656867668-1406838930=:25763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Krati,
This is simply a case of energy decomposition partitionin= g. As I  know, Gaussian program can not do this. However, you may use = the GAMESS. In GAMESS, by using Morokuma's energy decomposition, one can fi= nd metal to ligand and ligand to metal energy terms. Also, the ADF package = is able to calculate these energy terms.
Sincerely,
Mehdi
 
 
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Mehdi D= . Esrafili, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Physical Chemistry Current address: Department of Chemistry,
<= font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif" size=3D"4">Faculty of= Basic Sciences,University of
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On Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:= 04 AM, Mariusz Radon mariusz.radon-*-gmail.com <owner-chemistry ~ ccl.net&= gt; wrote:



= Sent to CCL by: Mariusz Radon [mariusz.radon*_*gmail.com]
On 07/31/2014 = 01:14 PM, Krati Joshi kjjulie.joshi_+_gmail.com wrote:
> I am working on some transi= tion metal complexes with TPy ligand using gaussian 09 (DFT/PBE). I want to= know how to determine the contributions of sigma and pi bonding (pi back b= onding). If anybody have any information (sites, article etc) regarding thi= s, please write back to me. It will be of great help to me.
>
>= ;
> Thanks and Regards
> Krati Joshi

Dear Krati:
In addition to other suggested methodologies, Natural Orbitals for
Chem= ical Valence (NOCV) analysis may be the right tool for your purpose.
Best regards,
Mariusz Radon


--
Dr Mariusz Radon, Ph.D.Coordination Chemistry Group
Faculty of Chemistry
Jagiellonian Univ= ersity
ul. Ingardena 3, 30-060 Krakow, Poland
http://www2.chemia.uj.edu.pl/= ~mradon



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