From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Jan 20 02:55:00 2014 From: "uekstrom]-[gmail.com uekstrom]-[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Standard Hybrids vs Highly Non-Local Hybrids in TD-DFT Message-Id: <-49571-140120021622-10806-cOBquQuQpXRLm9QpGhPTDQ!^!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "uekstrom ~~ gmail.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:16:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "uekstrom(~)gmail.com" [uekstrom(~)gmail.com] How do you know that your results are worse? Are you including all effects in your model that are important in the real system, like vibrational and solvent effects? These effects tend to lower excitation energies, and the standard GGA's and hybrids have an error also makes the excitation energies smaller. About rescaling and shifting: From my limited experience the "brand new" functionals have an average error in excitation energies that is close to zero. Therefore it doesn't make sense to apply some empirical adjustment to them. However, someone else may have done a more systematic study and come to a different conclusion. Regards, Ulf Ekstrom, University of Oslo 2014/1/18 Anne Weresiuk aweresiuk~!~gmail.com : > > Sent to CCL by: "Anne Weresiuk" [aweresiuk : gmail.com] > Dear CCLers, > > As a newbie I have a general question about TD-DFT simulations of absorption > and emission spectra in organic systems. I was performing the computations > with brand new non-local functionals like M06-2x, M11, wb97xd etc. as I > naively believed them to be superior in the case of TD-DFT. However, I > noticed that the calculated results are much worse than in the case of > standard hybrids like PBE0 or B3LYP. Finally I found the paper 'TD-DFT > Performance for the Visible Absorption Spectra of Organic Dyes: Conventional > versus Long-Range Hybrids' by Denis Jacquemin et al. where the same tendency > was clearly manifested (but I did not found its explanation). > > I am wondering what is the reason that (in example) b3lyp is much better than > cam-b3lyp in the field of calculated wavenumbers? The question is, why non- > local functionals overestimate the excitation energies? Why the errors are > generally growing with increasing amount of hartree fock exchange? Is is > acceptable to somehow uniformly rescale the calculated wavelenghts (like in > the case of vibrational analysis)? Or maybe, if we do not deal with charge- > transfer states we should rather avoid this non-local functionals? I would > really appreciate any comments in this field. > > Kind regards, > Anne> > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Jan 20 03:39:01 2014 From: "Muhammad Jawad jawadfs===cemb.edu.pk" To: CCL Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request Message-Id: <-49572-140120033733-30645-3nskBZiF2OBv/GFZo8175Q_._server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Muhammad Jawad" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 03:37:32 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Muhammad Jawad" [jawadfs-$-cemb.edu.pk] Hi, Can anybody send me ADMET Predictor software. I have to use it for study. I will be very thankful. http://www.simulations-plus.com/Products.aspx?ADMET%20Predictor&grpID=1&cID=11&pID=13 Regards Muhammad Jawad From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Jan 20 09:05:00 2014 From: "Jim Kress ccl_nospam]=[kressworks.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request Message-Id: <-49573-140120085551-22737-B9HR9S+tY8wR3+LVB2WjbA^_^server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:55:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam#,#kressworks.com] No. You are supposed to PURCHASE a license. It is not "freeware" or "shareware". Jim -----Original Message----- > From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com[#]ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com[#]ccl.net] On Behalf Of Muhammad Jawad jawadfs===cemb.edu.pk Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:38 AM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request Sent to CCL by: "Muhammad Jawad" [jawadfs-$-cemb.edu.pk] Hi, Can anybody send me ADMET Predictor software. I have to use it for study. I will be very thankful. http://www.simulations-plus.com/Products.aspx?ADMET%20Predictor&grpID=1&cID= 11&pID=13 Regards Muhammad Jawadhttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Jan 20 09:40:00 2014 From: "Simon Cross simon#moldiscovery.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Flexible small molecule alignment software Message-Id: <-49574-140120034522-4004-temp07IofarE8vRVDJg3PA]^[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Simon Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030805020400020900070308" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 09:45:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Simon Cross [simon|*|moldiscovery.com] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030805020400020900070308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jian, we also published approaches to do this, called FLAP and FLAPpharm. You can align to a bioactive template or derive the bioactive conformation from 2D input automatically. FLAP is a field-based approach that uses GRID molecular interaction fields, which means you can also use the output directly for 3D-QSAR, or perform large-scale virtual screening using the derived pharmacophoric interaction fields. Cross S, Baroni M, Goracci L, and Cruciani G. GRID-Based Three-Dimensional Pharmacophores I: FLAPpharm, a Novel Approach for Pharmacophore Elucidation. J. Chem. Inf. Model. 2012, 52(10):2587-2598. Cross S, Ortuso F, Baroni M, Costa G, Distinto S, Moraca F, Alcaro S, and Cruciani G. GRID-Based Three-Dimensional Pharmacophores II: PharmBench, a Benchmark Data Set for Evaluating Pharmacophore Elucidation Methods. J. Chem. Inf. Model. 2012, 52(10):2599-2608. My best, Simon On 20/01/14 00:10, Wang Jian jian.wang,inbox.com wrote: > Sent to CCL by: Wang Jian [jian.wang||inbox.com] > Thank you, Alex! > Thats really helpful! > Good luck! > > Jian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-chemistry^ccl.net >> Sent: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:15:45 +0100 (CET) >> To: jian.wang^inbox.com >> Subject: CCL: Flexible small molecule alignment software >> >> >> Sent to CCL by: Alex Allardyce [aallardyce(~)chemaxon.com] >> HI Jian, >> >> I forward this link to a recent review published in Drug Discovery. I >> think it is useful for context but covers and sums some recent relevant >> developments at ChemAxon, which we are quite proud of. >> >> New Approaches to Virtual Screening: >> http://www.dddmag.com/articles/2013/12/new-approaches-virtual-screening >> >> Best wishes for 2014 from an unseasonably, but quite reasonably warm >> Budapest >> Alex >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jian Wang jian.wang---inbox.com" >> To: "Alex Allardyce " >> Sent: Friday, January 3, 2014 5:10:19 AM >> Subject: CCL: Flexible small molecule alignment software >> >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Jian Wang" [jian.wang(0)inbox.com] >> Hi, happy new year! >> Can anyone recommend some free software for conformation analysis and >> flexible >> alignment of ligands onto a bioactive conformation of reference (or >> template) >> molecule? >> I have some information such as ChemAxon, FieldAlign, etc. And I want to >> find >> more. >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Jianhttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM & EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys > Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails> > --------------030805020400020900070308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Jian, we also published approaches to do this, called FLAP and FLAPpharm. You can align to a bioactive template or derive the bioactive conformation from 2D input automatically. FLAP is a field-based approach that uses GRID molecular interaction fields, which means you can also use the output directly for 3D-QSAR, or perform large-scale virtual screening using the derived pharmacophoric interaction fields.

Cross S, Baroni M, Goracci L, and Cruciani G. GRID-Based Three-Dimensional Pharmacophores I: FLAPpharm, a Novel Approach for Pharmacophore Elucidation. J. Chem. Inf. Model. 2012, 52(10):2587-2598.

Cross S, Ortuso F, Baroni M, Costa G, Distinto S, Moraca F, Alcaro S, and Cruciani G. GRID-Based Three-Dimensional Pharmacophores II: PharmBench, a Benchmark Data Set for Evaluating Pharmacophore Elucidation Methods. J. Chem. Inf. Model. 2012, 52(10):2599-2608.

My best,

Simon

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Sent to CCL by: Wang Jian [jian.wang||inbox.com]
Thank you, Alex!
Thats really helpful!
Good luck!

Jian

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Sent to CCL by: Alex Allardyce [aallardyce(~)chemaxon.com]
HI Jian,

I forward this link to a recent review published in Drug Discovery. I
think it is useful for context but covers and sums some recent relevant
developments at ChemAxon, which we are quite proud of.

New Approaches to Virtual Screening:
http://www.dddmag.com/articles/2013/12/new-approaches-virtual-screening

Best wishes for 2014 from an unseasonably, but quite reasonably warm
Budapest
Alex

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Hi, happy new year!
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flexible
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molecule?
I have some information such as ChemAxon, FieldAlign, etc. And I want to
find
more.
Thanks in advance!

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--------------030805020400020900070308-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Jan 20 12:43:00 2014 From: "Wolf Ihlenfeldt wdi]![xemistry.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request Message-Id: <-49575-140120045618-13303-SefO8uG02nctn2nc0ImAFQ*server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Wolf Ihlenfeldt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:56:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Wolf Ihlenfeldt [wdi\a/xemistry.com] Why did this request get though the filters? I read this post as a blunt request for a cracked copy of an expensive commercial product. If you need such software for your research and cannot afford normal commercial pricing, the only acceptable way is to contact the vendor directly and talk to them. Most have special conditions for academia, and may even provide you, on a case-by-case basis, a free copy. However, after such a post, this is in all probability no longer be an option for you, since you will be seen as an uncontrollable risk to illegally disseminate software you received under special conditions and are now blacklisted throughout the industry. You have just officially shot yourself in your own foot. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Muhammad Jawad jawadfs===cemb.edu.pk wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Muhammad Jawad" [jawadfs-$-cemb.edu.pk] > Hi, > > Can anybody send me ADMET Predictor software. I have to use it for study. I will be very thankful. > http://www.simulations-plus.com/Products.aspx?ADMET%20Predictor&grpID=1&cID=11&pID=13 > > Regards > Muhammad Jawad> > -- Wolf-D. Ihlenfeldt - Xemistry GmbH - wdi*xemistry.com Phone: +49 6174 201455 - Fax +49 6174 209665 --- xemistry gmbh – Geschäftsführer/Managing Director: Dr. W. D. Ihlenfeldt Address: Hainholzweg 11, D-61462 Königstein, Germany HR Königstein B7522 : Ust/VAT ID DE215316329 : DUNS 34-400-1719 From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Jan 20 13:18:00 2014 From: "Billy McCann thebillywayne:-:gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request Message-Id: <-49576-140120121338-23024-7PbityxVL4fMbF5HjJN2Ow+/-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Billy McCann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86eae6e6aed304f06a02d8 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:13:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Billy McCann [thebillywayne-.-gmail.com] --047d7b86eae6e6aed304f06a02d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Muhammed, The CCL is associated with a private company, "Computational Chemistry List, Ltd", located in the United States. Also, Simulations Plus, Inc. is United States based company. In the US, there are laws which prohibit people from breaking the End User License Agreement Agreement. As such, it would be illegal for anyone to give you a licensed copy of ADMET. Regards, Billy Wayne McCann, Ph.D. Google+ IRC PGP Key "I love those best who make the impossible their quest." ~ Faust (Goethe) [00(01|10)11] On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Jim Kress ccl_nospam]=[kressworks.com < owner-chemistry[*]ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam#,#kressworks.com] > No. You are supposed to PURCHASE a license. It is not "freeware" or > "shareware". > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com]|[ccl.net > [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com]|[ccl.net] On Behalf Of > Muhammad Jawad jawadfs===cemb.edu.pk > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:38 AM > To: Kress, Jim > Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request > > > Sent to CCL by: "Muhammad Jawad" [jawadfs-$-cemb.edu.pk] Hi, > > Can anybody send me ADMET Predictor software. I have to use it for study. I > will be very thankful. > > http://www.simulations-plus.com/Products.aspx?ADMET%20Predictor&grpID=1&cID= > 11&pID=13 > > Regards > Muhammad Jawadhttp:// > www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt> > > --047d7b86eae6e6aed304f06a02d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Muhammed,

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--047d7bdc05e866b3b804f06cb155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I think you could either ask the ADMET developers for a trial license at this link http://www.simulations-plus.com/softwareform.aspx or find a lab nearby who might have access to the software and find out if you might be allowed to use it. cheers, Raghu On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Muhammad Jawad jawadfs===cemb.edu.pk < owner-chemistry]![ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Muhammad Jawad" [jawadfs-$-cemb.edu.pk] > Hi, > > Can anybody send me ADMET Predictor software. I have to use it for study. > I will be very thankful. > > http://www.simulations-plus.com/Products.aspx?ADMET%20Predictor&grpID=1&cID=11&pID=13 > > Regards > Muhammad Jawad> > > --047d7bdc05e866b3b804f06cb155 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I think you could either ask the AD= MET developers for a trial license at this link

http://ww= w.simulations-plus.com/softwareform.aspx

or find a lab nearby wh= o might have access to the software and find out if you might be allowed to= use it.

cheers,
Raghu
=

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Muhammad Jawad = jawadfs=3D=3D=3Dcemb.edu.pk <owne= r-chemistry]![ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Muhammad =A0Jawad" [jawadfs-$-cemb.edu.pk]
Hi,

Can anybody send me ADMET Predictor software. I have to use it for study. I= will be very thankful.
http://www.simul= ations-plus.com/Products.aspx?ADMET%20Predictor&grpID=3D1&cID=3D11&= amp;pID=3D13

Regards
Muhammad Jawad



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--047d7bdc05e866b3b804f06cb155-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Jan 20 16:21:00 2014 From: "Dr. Vitaly Chaban vvchaban ~~ gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request Message-Id: <-49579-140120155816-8377-z7b/RexoTWBFb46hJmAFYw|,|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Dr. Vitaly Chaban" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:57:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Dr. Vitaly Chaban" [vvchaban ~ gmail.com] I guess you should yourself pay the fine to the distributor, since you were not allowed to share this stuff. Dr. Vitaly V. Chaban On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Kim CK kckyung()inha.ac.kr wrote: > Hello, > > This may not be the answer but is related to the use of commercial > softwares. > > One former member in my group took a copy of the commercially licensed > program and try to publish (or already published) the result in the paper. > What should I do in this case ? > > Regards, > > Chan > > ________________________________ > From: owner-chemistry/a\ccl.net > To: kckyung/a\inha.ac.kr > Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:13:17 -0500 > > Muhammed, > > The CCL is associated with a private company, "Computational Chemistry List, > Ltd", located in the United States. Also, Simulations Plus, Inc. is United > States based company. > > In the US, there are laws which prohibit people from breaking the End User > License Agreement Agreement. As such, it would be illegal for anyone to give > you a licensed copy of ADMET. > > Regards, > > Billy Wayne McCann, Ph.D. > Google+ > IRC > PGP Key > "I love those best who make the impossible their quest." ~ Faust (Goethe) > [00(01|10)11] > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Jim Kress ccl_nospam]=[kressworks.com > wrote: > > > Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam#,#kressworks.com] > No. You are supposed to PURCHASE a license. It is not "freeware" or > "shareware". > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com]|[ccl.net > [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com]|[ccl.net] On Behalf Of > Muhammad Jawad jawadfs===cemb.edu.pk > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:38 AM > To: Kress, Jim > Subject: CCL: AMDET Predictor Software Request > > > Sent to CCL by: "Muhammad Jawad" [jawadfs-$-cemb.edu.pk] Hi, > > Can anybody send me ADMET Predictor software. I have to use it for study. I > will be very thankful. > http://www.simulations-plus.com/Products.aspx?ADMET%20Predictor&grpID=1&cID= > 11&pID=13 > > Regards > Muhammad > Jawadhttp://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt
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