From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sat Apr 14 13:39:00 2012 From: "David A Case case:_:biomaps.rutgers.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: energy for proton Message-Id: <-46695-120413082906-32437-UQ/zrgf6ibNKe8gs//Olfg~~server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David A Case Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:28:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David A Case [case()biomaps.rutgers.edu] On Thu, Apr 12, 2012, Alexander Bagaturyants sasha#photonics.ru wrote: > > That is, it senseless to calculate formally any thermodynamic function of a > free (individual) proton. I think "senseless" is too strong a term here. If you like, you can think of reactions like AH -> A- + H+ as half-reactions (as in the corresponding electron case), and that there will eventually be some proton acceptor in a "real" equilibrium experiment. But this doesn't vitiate the utility of estimating proton affinities (and gas-phase basicities) as standard thermochemical quantities. Computational estimates using the thermodynamics of the free proton can be remarkably accurate compared to experiment; of course, the conversion of raw experimental data to standard-state proton affinities uses the same model. As a side note, it is hard to recommend just using Gaussian or any other program to get such values. The posts that began this thread showed two outputs, ostensibly from Gaussian: A. Temperature 298.150 Kelvin. Pressure 1.00000 Atm. ... Zero-point correction= 0.000000 (Hartree/Particle) Thermal correction to Energy= 0.001416 Thermal correction to Enthalpy= 0.002360 Thermal correction to Gibbs Free Energy= -0.010654 B. Temperature 298.150 Kelvin. Pressure 1.00000 Atm. Zero-point correction= 0.000000 (Hartree/Particle) Thermal correction to Energy= 0.001416 Thermal correction to Enthalpy= 0.002360 Thermal correction to Gibbs Free Energy= -0.010000 Note that the Gibbs free energy values differ by a non-negligible amount. Of course, no one can ever double-check everything that programs print out, but here one can do the calculation by hand; see, e.g. http://www.gaussian.com/g_whitepap/thermo.htm.) [I'm not sure where how the "A" value was computed, although I have some guesses.] ...dave case