From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 9 02:45:01 2009 From: "Mikael Johansson mikael.johansson]=[helsinki.fi" To: CCL Subject: CCL: What's the reasonable range for Mulliken charges on metallic cluster? Message-Id: <-40888-091209024304-23577-WDDRBac+2owD1JKRRtyKCw _ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Mikael Johansson Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:42:50 +0200 (EET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Mikael Johansson [mikael.johansson%helsinki.fi] Hello Tsung-Wen! On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Tsung-Wen Yen peter308:-:gmail.com wrote: > My caluculation of Mulliken partial charge on noble metallic > clusters(N=38) has some peculiar results. Some of the atoms will show > 5~6 electrons. Is this reasonable? I used (RECP19|SD) basis set for Gold > and Copper. Could you tell me on which range should be reasonable for > MPA charges? I have the feeling my electron structure may have converged > to a wrong state. I appreciated for your advice. Mulliken charges for metal systems can give you almost any random numbers. You should not use them for analysing anything important. Thus, a charge of 5-6 is not an indication of problems in your calculations, only in the way Mulliken charges are defined. The most hilarious failure I've encountered is a charge of -78 on tungsten in WAu12: PCCP 6 (2004) 11-22, http://xlink.rsc.org/?DOI=B310395A Have a nice day, Mikael J. http://www.iki.fi/~mpjohans/ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 9 03:19:00 2009 From: "Soren Eustis soreneustis*gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Server system for Gaussian Message-Id: <-40889-091209030640-1946-QTSK6M3f/1F8NgNs+FMNPg-*-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Soren Eustis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-718417696 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:06:14 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11) Sent to CCL by: Soren Eustis [soreneustis- -gmail.com] --Apple-Mail-1-718417696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I highly recommend jncs.com. They specialize in blade and tower workstations for just such a task. Regards, Soren On Dec 9, 2009, at 0:37, "jean-francois prieur jfprieur.~!~.gmail.com" wrote: > If you plan a higher basis set/theory, i would say that the disk > space in the servers you listed will not be sufficient. The > 'smallest' server hard drive I see nowadays is 500GB, they are not > that expensive and is the minimum spec I would put in a server > dedicated to calculations. You could probably get away with 250GB if > your budget is limited. > > Regards, > JF Prieur > > 2009/12/8 Serdar Bado?lu sbadoglu .. gazi.edu.tr %ccl.net> > > Sent to CCL by: "Serdar Bado?lu" [sbadoglu^-^gazi.edu.tr] > Meanwhile Daniel Jana warned me about something. Thank you Daniel. > > I'd better tell you something about our calculations, so you can > comment > better. > > Up to now we carried out our calculations on ordinary desktop PCs. Our > routine calculations are on molecules containing 20-25 atoms. > Optimization, frequency, energy, NMR, charge calculations; and the > same > for complexes and dimers of the free ligand. Most of the time our > calculation level is B3LYP/6-311++G** for the free ligand, nowadays we > tend to use cc-pVxZ sets for energy calculations, MP2 rarely used at > the > moment. Our plan is to work on larger molecules and/or we plan to do > higher level of calculations. > > Regards. > > > > -= This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script > =- > > > > E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY%a%ccl.net or use:> > E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST%a%ccl.net or use> Conferences: http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/ > conferences/> > > --Apple-Mail-1-718417696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I highly recommend jncs.com.  They specialize in blade and tower workstations for just such a task.  

Regards,

Soren



On Dec 9, 2009, at 0:37, "jean-francois prieur jfprieur.~!~.gmail.com" <owner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> wrote:

If you plan a higher basis set/theory, i would say that the disk space in the servers you listed will not be sufficient. The 'smallest' server hard drive I see nowadays is 500GB, they are not that expensive and is the minimum spec I would put in a server dedicated to calculations. You could probably get away with 250GB if your budget is limited.

Regards,
JF Prieur

2009/12/8 Serdar Bado?lu sbadoglu .. gazi.edu.tr <owner-chemistry%a%ccl.net>

Sent to CCL by: "Serdar Bado?lu" [sbadoglu^-^gazi.edu.tr]
Meanwhile Daniel Jana warned me about something. Thank you Daniel.

I'd better tell you something about our calculations, so you can comment
better.

Up to now we carried out our calculations on ordinary desktop PCs. Our
routine calculations are on molecules containing 20-25 atoms.
Optimization, frequency, energy, NMR, charge calculations; and the same
for complexes and dimers of the free ligand. Most of the time our
calculation level is B3LYP/6-311++G** for the free ligand, nowadays we
tend to use cc-pVxZ sets for energy calculations, MP2 rarely used at the
moment. Our plan is to work on larger molecules and/or we plan to do
higher level of calculations.

Regards.





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--Apple-Mail-1-718417696-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 9 05:21:01 2009 From: "Herbert Fruchtl herbert.fruchtl[*]st-andrews.ac.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL: What's the reasonable range for Mulliken charges on metallic cluster? Message-Id: <-40890-091209043613-22731-B1aFy3GvM+HGoN+8TLPWJQ(-)server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Herbert Fruchtl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:35:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Herbert Fruchtl [herbert.fruchtl*st-andrews.ac.uk] While I agree with this, the beginner is often just confused by the number of electrons on an atom when using ECPs. The Mulliken numbers are the valence electrons, so you have to figure out how many electrons your neutral atom has with the ECP you are using. Herbert Mikael Johansson mikael.johansson]=[helsinki.fi wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: Mikael Johansson [mikael.johansson%helsinki.fi] > > Hello Tsung-Wen! > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Tsung-Wen Yen peter308:-:gmail.com wrote: > >> My caluculation of Mulliken partial charge on noble metallic >> clusters(N=38) has some peculiar results. Some of the atoms will show >> 5~6 electrons. Is this reasonable? I used (RECP19|SD) basis set for >> Gold and Copper. Could you tell me on which range should be reasonable >> for MPA charges? I have the feeling my electron structure may have >> converged to a wrong state. I appreciated for your advice. > > Mulliken charges for metal systems can give you almost any random > numbers. You should not use them for analysing anything important. Thus, > a charge of 5-6 is not an indication of problems in your calculations, > only in the way Mulliken charges are defined. > > The most hilarious failure I've encountered is a charge of -78 on > tungsten in WAu12: > PCCP 6 (2004) 11-22, http://xlink.rsc.org/?DOI=B310395A > > Have a nice day, > Mikael J. > http://www.iki.fi/~mpjohans/http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlConferences: > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/> > -- Herbert Fruchtl Senior Scientific Computing Officer School of Chemistry, School of Mathematics and Statistics University of St Andrews -- The University of St Andrews is a charity registered in Scotland: No SC013532 From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 9 08:15:01 2009 From: "Ahmad Irfan irfaahmad]-[gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: fluid variational theory Message-Id: <-40891-091209081344-18989-cIJXanajna8XTEPZRTYTjQ#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Ahmad Irfan" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:13:41 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Ahmad Irfan" [irfaahmad*o*gmail.com] Hi CCL users i want to have some information about this software, the fluid variational theory (FVT). The current model FVT+ includes all interaction contributions to the chemical potentials, frequently used in chemical process.... If someone have manual or guide related to this, send me i have one more question, if we do not use C-language for simulation, then how software package do simulation?? Thanks ahead From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Dec 9 09:10:00 2009 From: "Alex Allardyce aa**chemaxon.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Call for papers: ChemAxon's 2010 European UGM, May 19-20, Budapest, Hungary Message-Id: <-40892-091209071955-14579-o+NvvOKiLTeair8dvFt/Jg|*|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Alex Allardyce Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050603060408030901080701" Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:19:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Alex Allardyce [aa=chemaxon.com] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050603060408030901080701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excuse cross postings Good day, ChemAxon's 2010 European User Group Meeting will be held on Wednesday and Thursday, May 19-20th at the Danubius Gellert Hotel, Budapest, Hungary. The meeting will preceded by a training day on May 18th. The User Group Meeting will feature oral and poster presentations from ChemAxon users, scientists, developers and partners as well as our usual range of social events to mix, speak and enjoy with staff and peers. We are inviting those interested in presenting at the meeting to submit abstracts for review. The deadline for receipt of oral abstracts is February 26th. To find out more and submit your abstract please visit:http://www.chemaxon.com/UGM/10/index.html. The presentations archive, including original presentations and meeting reports from Wendy Warr and Yvonne Martin, is here:http://www.chemaxon.com/UGM/ugm_land.html, video from the last meeting (San Diego) is available at our vimeo UGM channel here:http://vimeo.com/channels/ugm We hope you can join us for what has proven to be a most interesting and enjoyable cheminformatics event. See you there. Alex -- *Alex Allardyce* Marketing Dir. *ChemAxon* *Ltd*. Maramaros koz 3/A, Budapest, 1037, Hungary Tel: +361 453 0435 skype: alex_allardyce --------------050603060408030901080701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Excuse cross postings

Good day,

ChemAxon's 2010 European User Group Meeting will be held on Wednesday and Thursday, May 19-20th at the Danubius Gellert Hotel, Budapest, Hungary. The meeting will preceded by a training day on May 18th.

The User Group Meeting will feature oral and poster presentations from ChemAxon users, scientists, developers and partners as well as our usual range of social events to mix, speak and enjoy with staff and peers. 

We are inviting those interested in presenting at the meeting to submit abstracts for review. The deadline for receipt of oral abstracts is February 26th. To find out more and submit your abstract please visit: http://www.chemaxon.com/UGM/10/index.html. 

The presentations archive, including original presentations and meeting reports from Wendy Warr and Yvonne Martin, is here: http://www.chemaxon.com/UGM/ugm_land.html, video from the last meeting (San Diego) is available at our vimeo UGM channel here: http://vimeo.com/channels/ugm

We hope you can join us for what has proven to be a most interesting and enjoyable cheminformatics event.

See you there.

Alex 
--
Alex Allardyce
Marketing Dir.
ChemAxon Ltd.
Maramaros koz 3/A, Budapest, 1037, Hungary
Tel: +361 453 0435
skype: alex_allardyce
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