From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 04:23:00 2008 From: "Attila Bende bende*_*itim-cj.ro" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37205-080620041604-1073-IyQ5G8YICWJHSAT//cVxTw(a)server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Attila Bende" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:15:59 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Attila Bende" [bende{=}itim-cj.ro] Dear All! Have been somebody able to perform large MP2 calculation with Gaussian03? For my geometry, using cc-pVTZ basis set, I got a number of 760 basis functions. I send my job in parallel execution (4 SMP processor) on a Quad-Core Intel Q6700 and the Gaussian03 create a RWF file more than 150GB long, and after the first MP2 energy calculation the program stopped. I need at least MP2 method and a good basis set to estimate correctly the dispersion contribution in the intermolecular interaction. I would appreciate if somebody could suggest me an alternative solution for my calculation (with similar good method and basis set) and which is included either in Gaussian03 or in other quantum chemical program package (in this case I prefer a free academic charge one). Thanks in advance for your help. Attila From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 05:53:02 2008 From: "Frank Neese neese],[thch.uni-bonn.de" To: CCL Subject: CCL: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37206-080620045033-14368-oab1k5oxj7QLCPJxQvmK3A a server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Frank Neese Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:50:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Frank Neese [neese,+,thch.uni-bonn.de] Dear Attila, this is a calculation that you can very easily do with ORCA (either in RI-MP2 or standard MP2 modes; you get it for free at http://www.thch.uni-bonn.de/tc/orca/). best regards, Frank -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. Frank Neese Lehrstuhl fuer Theoretische Chemie Universitaet Bonn Wegelerstr. 12 D-53115 Bonn, Germany neese[-]thch.uni-bonn.de Phone: +49-28-732351 FAX: +49-(0)228-739064 --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 06:02:01 2008 From: "Kalju Kahn kalju*chem.ucsb.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37207-080620055956-3836-9ah6FTAGxNhUASNuchiZYQ..server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Kalju Kahn" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:59:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Kalju Kahn" [kalju^chem.ucsb.edu] Hi Attila, Maybe PC GAMESS? Your job size seems close to the 4GB memory limit that 32-bit PC GAMESS runs into on 64-bit LinuxPC systems. I have been able to run MP4/cc-pVQZ single points with 690 basis functions, but not with 805 basis functions. I suspect that with a careful choice of methods, your 760 basis function MP2 optimization should have a lesser memory demand than my MP4 single points. If I misunderstood and you are just trying to do single points, then g03 should be able to easily complete such task given that your system is stable and you have enough disk/memory for the job. Good luck, Kalju > > Sent to CCL by: "Attila Bende" [bende{=}itim-cj.ro] > Dear All! > > Have been somebody able to perform large MP2 calculation with Gaussian03? > For my geometry, using cc-pVTZ basis set, I got a number of 760 basis > functions. > I send my job in parallel execution (4 SMP processor) on a Quad-Core Intel > Q6700 and the Gaussian03 create a RWF file more than 150GB long, and after > the first MP2 energy calculation the program stopped. > I need at least MP2 method and a good basis set to estimate correctly the > dispersion contribution in the intermolecular interaction. > I would appreciate if somebody could suggest me an alternative solution > for my calculation (with similar good method and basis set) and which is > included either in Gaussian03 or in other quantum chemical program package > (in this case I prefer a free academic charge one). > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Attila> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Kalju Kahn Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry UC Santa Barbara, CA 93106 From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 06:37:00 2008 From: "Alessandro Contini alessandro.contini]=[unimi.it" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37208-080620061826-16781-+/Nxz4BN9qsQ7Nzo7DWrVA:-:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Alessandro Contini Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-type: text/plain Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:29:20 +0200 MIME-version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Alessandro Contini [alessandro.contini,+,unimi.it] Hi, I never succeded in performing MP2 calculations with systems comparable to yours, however, since your problem is the estimation of dispersive interactions (a known problem for DFT...) you could try the following: 1. DFT calculations with the HCTH functional (see Eur. J. Org.Chem. 2008, 2808-2816) 2. DFT with ORCA using the vDW empirical correction (http://www.thch.uni-bonn.de/tc/orca/) 3. SCS-MP2 with RI approximation with ORCA Hope this help Alessandro Il giorno ven, 20/06/2008 alle 04.15 -0400, Attila Bende bende*_*itim-cj.ro ha scritto: > Sent to CCL by: "Attila Bende" [bende{=}itim-cj.ro] > Dear All! > > Have been somebody able to perform large MP2 calculation with Gaussian03? > For my geometry, using cc-pVTZ basis set, I got a number of 760 basis functions. > I send my job in parallel execution (4 SMP processor) on a Quad-Core Intel Q6700 and the Gaussian03 create a RWF file more than 150GB long, and after the first MP2 energy calculation the program stopped. > I need at least MP2 method and a good basis set to estimate correctly the dispersion contribution in the intermolecular interaction. > I would appreciate if somebody could suggest me an alternative solution for my calculation (with similar good method and basis set) and which is included either in Gaussian03 or in other quantum chemical program package (in this case I prefer a free academic charge one). > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Attila> > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 07:12:02 2008 From: "andras.borosy(!)givaudan.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: converting PQS output Message-Id: <-37209-080620063609-2202-MbbGbW8e9BaNntTj+iWctA|-|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: andras.borosy%x%givaudan.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00367F6FC125746E_=" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:55:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: andras.borosy/a\givaudan.com This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00367F6FC125746E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, How can the optimised geometry be converted from a PQS out or log file=20 into a MDL mol file (or any other standard file format like mol2, xyz,=20 pdb)? Regards, Dr. Andr=E1s P=E9ter Borosy Scientific Modelling Expert Fragrance Research Givaudan Schweiz AG - Ueberlandstrasse 138 - CH-8600 - D=FCbendorf -= =20 Switzerland T:+41-44-824 2164 - F:+41-44-8242926 - http://www.givaudan.com --=_alternative 00367F6FC125746E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Colleagues,

How can the optimised geometry be co= nverted > from a PQS out or log file into a MDL mol file (or any other standard file format like mol2, xyz, pdb)?

Regards,

Dr. Andr=E1s P=E9ter Borosy
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--=_alternative 00367F6FC125746E_=-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 07:46:00 2008 From: "Grant Hill hilljg]~[cardiff.ac.uk" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37210-080620070647-11833-vubtWp1KYZ30HoLa17L1tw]*[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Grant Hill Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:21:23 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Sent to CCL by: Grant Hill [hilljg%cardiff.ac.uk] On 20 Jun 2008, at 09:15, Attila Bende bende*_*itim-cj.ro wrote: > I would appreciate if somebody could suggest me an alternative > solution for my calculation (with similar good method and basis set) > and which is included either in Gaussian03 or in other quantum > chemical program package (in this case I prefer a free academic > charge one). In such cases I would generally recommend that you use density fitting (DF-MP2), which is also known as resolution of identity (RI-MP2) in some circles. It should speed up your calculations considerably and usually dramatically reduces the demands on disc space. Codes with such capabilities include Molpro, Turbomole (both commercial) and NWChem (free of charge, subject to conditions). Whether any of these packages are suitable for your needs will depend, of course, on what you intend to do. HTH, Grant From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 08:22:01 2008 From: "Alexander Hofmann ah]~[chemie.hu-berlin.de" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37211-080620064020-6352-bp19kU4CXFImbhAxlK1Mmw:_:server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Alexander Hofmann Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:06:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Alexander Hofmann [ah() chemie.hu-berlin.de] Attila, you should definitively consider TURBOMOLE. It has got RI-MP2, same quality as normal MP2, but much(!) faster. It also can do calculations in parallel (via MPI). I did 1000 contractions (2500 primitive bf.), about 200 electrons, in about 3 hours (SCF and RI-MP2 gradients) on one (!) core. Exactly what you need. Check out http://www.turbomole.de/ and http://www.turbo-forum.com/index.php Alex Attila Bende bende*_*itim-cj.ro wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "Attila Bende" [bende{=}itim-cj.ro] > Dear All! > > Have been somebody able to perform large MP2 calculation with Gaussian03? > For my geometry, using cc-pVTZ basis set, I got a number of 760 basis functions. > I send my job in parallel execution (4 SMP processor) on a Quad-Core Intel Q6700 and the Gaussian03 create a RWF file more than 150GB long, and after the first MP2 energy calculation the program stopped. > I need at least MP2 method and a good basis set to estimate correctly the dispersion contribution in the intermolecular interaction. > I would appreciate if somebody could suggest me an alternative solution for my calculation (with similar good method and basis set) and which is included either in Gaussian03 or in other quantum chemical program package (in this case I prefer a free academic charge one). > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Attila> > -- Dr. Alexander Hofmann Humboldt-Universitaet zu Berlin Institut fuer Chemie Arbeitsgruppe Quantenchemie Post: Unter den Linden 6 10099 Berlin Visitors: Brook-Taylor-Strasse 2 12489 Berlin ah chemie.hu-berlin.de .:_:. Tel.: +49-30-2093-7138 Fax.: +49-30-2093-7136 http://www.chemie.hu-berlin.de/ag_sauer/index.html PGP-Key: wwwkeys.de.pgp.net ID: D9D62D35 From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 09:00:01 2008 From: "Geoffrey Hutchison geoffh+.{:}.pitt.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: converting PQS output Message-Id: <-37212-080620075556-18809-VthzCcAUNqu6Iv+2AZKPLQ{:}server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Geoffrey Hutchison Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:55:42 -0400 (EDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Geoffrey Hutchison [geoffh+*|*pitt.edu] > How can the optimised geometry be converted > from a PQS out or log file into a MDL mol file > (or any other standard file format like mol2, xyz, pdb)? This is exactly why Open Babel exists: http://openbabel.org/wiki/Parallel_Quantum_Solutions So you'd run: babel -ipqs -omdl Simply change to be whatever your PQS output is, and change as you wish. (Or pick "any other standard format.") Cheers, -Geoff --- Prof. Geoffrey Hutchison Department of Chemistry University of Pittsburgh tel: (412) 648-0492 email: geoffh++pitt.edu web: http://hutchison.chem.pitt.edu/ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 10:38:01 2008 From: "Alcides Simao alsimao|a|gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37213-080620102324-12651-t0SN11IkKZB+vxLvWcdWfg]*[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Alcides Simao" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5644_16041060.1213971599656" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:19:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Alcides Simao" [alsimao#gmail.com] ------=_Part_5644_16041060.1213971599656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All, Attila, I have done MP2 calculations with the almost the same amount of integrals as you have. MP2 is very harsh on a single computer. May I ask you which GAUSSIAN version do you have, and in what OS do you have it installed? Best Regards, Alcides ------=_Part_5644_16041060.1213971599656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello All,

Attila, I have done MP2 calculations with the almost the same amount of integrals as you have. MP2 is very harsh on a single computer.

May I ask you which GAUSSIAN version do you have, and in what OS do you have it installed?

Best Regards,

Alcides




------=_Part_5644_16041060.1213971599656-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 11:13:01 2008 From: "Jozsef Csontos jozsefcsontos::creighton.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: large MP2 calculation??? Message-Id: <-37214-080620102701-12970-FW62MeHbCQDRpwT1kV+gTg#,#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Jozsef Csontos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:26:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Jozsef Csontos [jozsefcsontos * creighton.edu] Kedves Attila! Either ORCA or NWChem would be a good choice; free for academics (as you wished) and the RI (or DF) approximation is implemented in both (you should use this feature because it can speed up your calculations considerably). I use both for the calculation of energies of interactions of systems with similar size of yours. PC-GAMESS can be a good alternative too. It is also free for academics, however, the RI approximation hasn't been implemented. Nevertheless, the code is really fast. Udvozlettel: Jozsef > Attila Bende bende*_*itim-cj.ro wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Attila Bende" [bende{=}itim-cj.ro] > > Dear All! > > > > Have been somebody able to perform large MP2 calculation with Gaussian03? > > For my geometry, using cc-pVTZ basis set, I got a number of 760 basis functions. > > I send my job in parallel execution (4 SMP processor) on a Quad-Core Intel Q6700 and the Gaussian03 create a RWF file more than 150GB long, and after the first MP2 energy calculation the program stopped. > > I need at least MP2 method and a good basis set to estimate correctly the dispersion contribution in the intermolecular interaction. > > I would appreciate if somebody could suggest me an alternative solution for my calculation (with similar good method and basis set) and which is included either in Gaussian03 or in other quantum chemical program package (in this case I prefer a free academic charge one). > > > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Attila> > > > -- Jozsef Csontos, Ph.D. http://bif9.creighton.edu/csontos (jozsefcsontos_at_creighton_dot_edu) Department of Biomedical Sciences Creighton University, Omaha, NE From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 12:23:02 2008 From: "Breton, Gary gbreton__berry.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Triplet transition states Message-Id: <-37216-080620112705-12508-70BBs2rRWWfr8XfrM1JYMw..server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Breton, Gary" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:51:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Breton, Gary" [gbreton|,|berry.edu] Hi everyone, I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. I have been working on a long = term project (possibly TOO long) in an attempt to locate possible transition states for the thermal decomposition of a series of small ring = heterocyclic compounds. Upon thermolysis, the compounds liberates nitric oxide (NO) which is a radical species (which could be important..see below). I started this project employing the DFT method at the = B3LYP/6-311+G(d,p) level and located a number of transition states. Being a bit na=EFve = at the time, I had set the transition state calculation to search for a saddle point using the unrestricted B3LYP functional and at a triplet state. I = was able to reproduce these same calculations using MP2/6-31G(d) with few additional optimization steps. IRC calculations were beautiful and = linked my starting materials to products as expected. The transition states exhibited expectation values of about 2 as expected (since I intentionally searched for triplet states). Later on, after reviewing a number of papers, I began to realize what I needed to do was search for the same TS using unrestricted (open-shell) procedures but optimizing to a singlet state. Under these conditions, = I cannot locate ANY of the transitions states even though I have tried manipulating the starting geometries of the input TS structures as well = as through use of the QST2 search feature in Gaussian. I have employed the Guess=3D Mix option in these calculations as well. The calculations = fail after the molecule essentially blows apart or relaxes to something = related to the starting material with a residual imaginary frequency. While I am beginning to come around to the fact that CASSCF calculations = or something similar may be needed here (which I admit to being unqualified = to carry out), is there something salvageable from all these calculations? = Is there a situation where a triplet optimized TS means something? Or is = there some "trick" to getting these TS structures (or similar) to find to a = saddle point as singlet structures? I hope I've provided enough information for some answers. Thanks for = any suggestions. Best regards, Gary W. Breton Chair and Prof. of Chemistry Berry College PO Box 495016 Mount Berry, GA 30149 =20 From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 14:03:01 2008 From: "Clark, Aurora auclark#wsu.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Triplet transition states Message-Id: <-37217-080620140042-8415-1/MK9Bzqoyb/7MwU6CsAjw],[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Clark, Aurora" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8D2FA.FC9D9BB7" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:27:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Clark, Aurora" [auclark-.-wsu.edu] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D2FA.FC9D9BB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gary; I think it is important to be clear about the type of open-shell singlet state that you could obtain with gaussian using DFT. Using unrestricted B3LYP it should be possible to obtain an =3D 1 broken-symmetry broken-spin 'singlet' state that really is a representation of the = mixture of the true multi-determinant singlet (that you would obtain from CASSCF = and would have =3D 0) and the triplet state (with =3D 2). Often = these broken-symmetry singlet states can yield very useful information about = your reaction coordinate, and there are ways to correct the energy of the broken-symmetry singlet state to approximate what the true S=3D0 singlet = state energy should be (See a number of papers by E. R. Davidson, Yamaguchi, = and others). If you want to obtain the broken-symmetry singlet state in Gaussian, = there are a number of tricks in addition to the guess=3Dmix option that I have = found successful. The most reliable option I have found is to create a fort.7 = file of the triplet orbitals (with the punch=3Dmo keyword and using = unrestricted b3lyp so that you get the "lowest energy" alpha and beta set of MOs), determine which alpha orbitals are the ones without an occupied beta complement (most likely the top two occupied alpha orbitals), copy the = alpha set into the beta set so that the alpha and beta MO's are exactly = identical, then in the beta set, move one of the one of orbital that you want to = have the spin down electron into the occupied space. You want to make sure = that when you do the broken-symmetry calculation that the singly occupied = alpha orbital and singly ocuppied beta orbitals are not the same and that they have the electrons roughly localized where you think they should be in = the molecule. Then you can read in these alpha and beta orbitals using the guess=3Dcards keyword and have the orbitals added in the end of your = input file. This is a rather bootstrap method to create a broken symmetry = guess that should have an =3D1 at the beginning of the SCF. However, the benefit is that you know that you are giving Gaussian the best possible guess of orbitals for the broken-symmetry state, and not relying on = Gaussian to do it for you. Of course, there is no guarantee that the = broken-symmetry solution will be maintained after the SCF cycle. I suggest you read a bit about broken-symmetry singlet states and look = at the singly occupied alpha and beta orbitals in those papers so that you = have a firm idea about where you want your alpha and beta electrons to be localized for your reaction TS. Getting these broken-symmetry states can = be quite tricky, however they will likely be faster than going to CASSCF depending on the size of your active space. I hope this helps; Aurora Aurora Clark Assistant Professor Department of Chemistry Washington State University Pullman, Wa 99164 Ph (509)-335-3362 Fax (509)-335-8867 Email: auclark_+_wsu.edu =20 On 6/20/08 7:51 AM, "Breton, Gary gbreton__berry.edu" wrote: >=20 > Sent to CCL by: "Breton, Gary" [gbreton|,|berry.edu] > Hi everyone, >=20 > I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. I have been working on a = long term > project (possibly TOO long) in an attempt to locate possible = transition > states for the thermal decomposition of a series of small ring = heterocyclic > compounds. Upon thermolysis, the compounds liberates nitric oxide = (NO) > which is a radical species (which could be important..see below). >=20 > I started this project employing the DFT method at the = B3LYP/6-311+G(d,p) > level and located a number of transition states. Being a bit na=EFve = at the > time, I had set the transition state calculation to search for a = saddle > point using the unrestricted B3LYP functional and at a triplet state. = I was > able to reproduce these same calculations using MP2/6-31G(d) with few > additional optimization steps. IRC calculations were beautiful and = linked > my starting materials to products as expected. The transition states > exhibited expectation values of about 2 as expected (since I > intentionally searched for triplet states). >=20 > Later on, after reviewing a number of papers, I began to realize what = I > needed to do was search for the same TS using unrestricted = (open-shell) > procedures but optimizing to a singlet state. Under these = conditions, I > cannot locate ANY of the transitions states even though I have tried > manipulating the starting geometries of the input TS structures as = well as > through use of the QST2 search feature in Gaussian. I have employed = the > Guess=3D Mix option in these calculations as well. The calculations = fail > after the molecule essentially blows apart or relaxes to something = related > to the starting material with a residual imaginary frequency. >=20 > While I am beginning to come around to the fact that CASSCF = calculations or > something similar may be needed here (which I admit to being = unqualified to > carry out), is there something salvageable from all these = calculations? Is > there a situation where a triplet optimized TS means something? Or is = there > some "trick" to getting these TS structures (or similar) to find to a = saddle > point as singlet structures? >=20 > I hope I've provided enough information for some answers. Thanks for = any > suggestions. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 >=20 > Gary W. Breton > Chair and Prof. of Chemistry > Berry College > PO Box 495016 > Mount Berry, GA 30149 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = =3D- > To recover the email address of the author of the message, please = change>=20>=20>=20>=20>=20> Conferences: = http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ >=20 > Search Messages: http://www.ccl.net/htdig (login: ccl, Password: = search) >=20>=20>=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D2FA.FC9D9BB7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: CCL:G: Triplet transition states

Hi Gary;

I think it is important to be clear about the type of open-shell = singlet
state that you could obtain with gaussian using DFT. Using = unrestricted
B3LYP it should be possible to obtain an <S^2> =3D 1 = broken-symmetry
broken-spin 'singlet' state that really is a representation of the = mixture
of the true multi-determinant singlet (that you would obtain from CASSCF = and
would have <S^2> =3D 0) and the triplet state (with <S^2> = =3D 2). Often these
broken-symmetry singlet states can yield very useful information about = your
reaction coordinate, and there are ways to correct the energy of the
broken-symmetry singlet state to approximate what the true S=3D0 singlet = state
energy should be (See a number of papers by E. R. Davidson, Yamaguchi, = and
others).

If you want to obtain the broken-symmetry singlet state in Gaussian, = there
are a number of tricks in addition to the guess=3Dmix option that I have = found
successful. The most reliable option I have found is to create a fort.7 = file
of the triplet orbitals (with the punch=3Dmo keyword and using = unrestricted
b3lyp so that you get the "lowest energy" alpha and beta set = of MOs),
determine which alpha orbitals are the ones without an occupied beta
complement (most likely the top two occupied alpha orbitals), copy the = alpha
set into the beta set so that the alpha and beta MO's are exactly = identical,
then in the beta set, move one of the  one of orbital that you want = to have
the spin down electron into the occupied space. You want to make sure = that
when you do the broken-symmetry calculation that the singly occupied = alpha
orbital and singly ocuppied beta orbitals are not the same and that = they
have the electrons roughly localized where you think they should be in = the
molecule. Then you can read in these alpha and beta orbitals using = the
guess=3Dcards keyword and have the orbitals added in the end of your = input
file. This is a rather bootstrap method to create a broken symmetry = guess
that should have an <S^2> =3D1 at the beginning of the SCF. = However, the
benefit is that you know that you are giving Gaussian the best = possible
guess of orbitals for the broken-symmetry state, and not relying on = Gaussian
to do it for you. Of course, there is no guarantee that the = broken-symmetry
solution will be maintained after the SCF cycle.

I suggest you read a bit about broken-symmetry singlet states and look = at
the singly occupied alpha and beta orbitals in those papers so that you = have
a firm idea about where you want your alpha and beta electrons to be
localized for your reaction TS. Getting these broken-symmetry states can = be
quite tricky, however they will likely be faster than going to = CASSCF
depending on the size of your active space.

I hope this helps;

Aurora


Aurora Clark
Assistant Professor
Department of Chemistry
Washington State University
Pullman, Wa 99164
Ph (509)-335-3362
Fax (509)-335-8867
Email: auclark_+_wsu.edu




On 6/20/08 7:51 AM, "Breton, Gary gbreton__berry.edu"
<owner-chemistry_+_ccl.net> wrote:

>
> Sent to CCL by: "Breton, Gary" [gbreton|,|berry.edu]
> Hi everyone,
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. I have been working on a = long term
> project (possibly TOO long) in an attempt to locate possible = transition
> states for the thermal decomposition of a series of small ring = heterocyclic
> compounds.  Upon thermolysis, the compounds liberates nitric = oxide (NO)
> which is a radical species (which could be important..see = below).
>
> I started this project employing the DFT method at the = B3LYP/6-311+G(d,p)
> level and located a number of transition states.  Being a = bit  na=EFve at the
> time, I had set the transition state calculation to search for a = saddle
> point using the unrestricted B3LYP functional and at a triplet = state.  I was
> able to reproduce these same calculations using MP2/6-31G(d) with = few
> additional optimization steps.  IRC calculations were = beautiful and linked
> my starting materials to products as expected.  The transition = states
> exhibited expectation values <S*2> of about 2 as expected = (since I
> intentionally searched for triplet states).
>
> Later on, after reviewing a number of papers, I began to realize = what I
> needed to do was search for the same TS using unrestricted = (open-shell)
> procedures but optimizing to a singlet state.   Under = these conditions, I
> cannot locate ANY of the transitions states even though I have = tried
> manipulating the starting geometries of the input TS structures as = well as
> through use of the QST2 search feature in Gaussian.  I have = employed the
> Guess=3D Mix option in these calculations as well.  The = calculations fail
> after the molecule essentially blows apart or relaxes to something = related
> to the starting material with a residual imaginary frequency.
>
> While I am beginning to come around to the fact that CASSCF = calculations or
> something similar may be needed here (which I admit to being = unqualified to
> carry out), is there something salvageable from all these = calculations?  Is
> there a situation where a triplet optimized TS means = something?  Or is there
> some "trick" to getting these TS structures (or similar) = to find to a saddle
> point as singlet structures?
>
> I hope I've provided enough information for some answers.  = Thanks for any
> suggestions.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Gary W. Breton
> Chair and Prof. of Chemistry
> Berry College
> PO Box 495016
> Mount Berry, GA 30149
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8D2FA.FC9D9BB7-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 15:35:00 2008 From: "Ol Ga eurisco1*_*pochta.ru" To: CCL Subject: CCL: k(T,p) rate constant calculation Message-Id: <-37218-080620153229-9490-RskwDL5m84iMU4+dJSUSIw=-=server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Ol Ga" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:32:25 -0400 Sent to CCL by: "Ol Ga" [eurisco1[#]pochta.ru] Hello all, I need to calculate finite temperature and pressure k(T,p) rate constants of thermal reation. I think THERATE program is quite well for my purposes (for academic use only, on Windows PC). But I cannot find the program and its downloadable copy in software archives (some e-links were broken etc.). Could You help me? Please, would You share with me the copy of the program or give me some advice about the most appropriate choice of Program for Ab Initio Direct Dynamics Calculations of Thermal and finite pressure rate constant. thank You very much in advance. sincerely, Ol Ga From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 16:09:01 2008 From: "Frank Neese neese^thch.uni-bonn.de" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Triplet transition states Message-Id: <-37219-080620160100-22473-vT9UqPQ0dFwthJqJeFZvaw,server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Frank Neese Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:00:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Frank Neese [neese.:.thch.uni-bonn.de] Dear Gary, i think that Aurora has made some very nice comments that i fully support. I also suggest to read the early papers by Lou Noodleman that are important and very useful (e.g. L. Noodleman, J. Chem. Phys. 1981, 74, 5737; L. Noodleman, E. J. Baerends, J. Am. Chem. Soc. 1984, 106, 2316; L. Noodleman, E. R. Davidson, Chem. Phys. 1986, 109, 131; Aurora's papers with Ernest Davidson are also very worthwhile reading, e.g. A. E. Clark, and E. R. Davidson, J. Chem. Phys. (2001), 115, 7382-7392. and if you allow me to quote this you can also find an interpretation of the physical content of the BS solution in F. Neese, J. Phys. Chem. Solids 2004, 65, 781). The procedure she suggests for generating the broken symmetry solutions appears to be quite complicated. hence i just wanted to mention that in orca (free at http://www.thch.uni-bonn.de/tc/orca/) you get these broken symmetry states easily and reliably by simply using: %scf brokensym 1,1 end much more complicated broken symmetry states with several open-shell metal ions are also readily found with only a minimum of user input. Transition states can be readily located using eigenvector following. If you don't find a transition state on the singlet surface that is there on the triplet surface then i am very reminded on the very nice work on two-state reactivity, e.g. S. Shaik, D. Danovich, A. Fiedler, D. Schröder, and H. Schwarz "Two-State-reactivity in Organometallic Gas Phase Ion Chemistry". _Helvetica Chem. Acta,_ _78_, 1393-1407 (1995). or nice work also by Jeremy Harvey, e.g. Spin-Forbidden Reactions in Transition-Metal Chemistry Jeremy N. Harvey In /Computational Organometallic Chemistry/, Thomas R. Cundari, ed., Marcel Dekker, 2001. If your state is such that a 2 in 2 CASSCF is enough you can also use CASSCF in a very straightforward manner to locate your transition state (in orca not much more is needed then %casscf nel 2 norb 2 mult 1 end) Good luck! Frank -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. Frank Neese Lehrstuhl fuer Theoretische Chemie Universitaet Bonn Wegelerstr. 12 D-53115 Bonn, Germany neese|,|thch.uni-bonn.de Phone: +49-28-732351 FAX: +49-(0)228-739064 --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 18:30:01 2008 From: "John McKelvey jmmckel|a|gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Triplet transition states Message-Id: <-37220-080620164341-19737-8U3IgHviOxVryMVksAJS5A.:.server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "John McKelvey" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18481_33427087.1213994247817" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:37:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "John McKelvey" [jmmckel*|*gmail.com] ------=_Part_18481_33427087.1213994247817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure where the following fits related to the issue of triplet instabilities of singlet systems being discussed here, but I looked at this issue in 1972 using G70 to study the issue for ethylene. The pure singlet geometry was optimized using the 4-31 basis set. Using the 4-31 MOs for H2N-BH2 for the UHF alpha MO guess and those from H2B-NH2 for the beta MO's a sizable value of S**2 was obtained. Then I started decontracting the 4-3= 1 valence orbitals, and S**2 decreased significantly. Finally I decontracted the "core" and S**2 dropped a bit more, finally very close to the singlet value.. Sometime later someone followed up on the issue and pointed out that if the geometry was optimized along with making the basis set bigger that the UHF instability essentially went away. my $0.02.. Cheers, John McKelvey On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Clark, Aurora auclark#wsu.edu < owner-chemistry()ccl.net> wrote: > Hi Gary; > > I think it is important to be clear about the type of open-shell singlet > state that you could obtain with gaussian using DFT. Using unrestricted > B3LYP it should be possible to obtain an =3D 1 broken-symmetry > broken-spin 'singlet' state that really is a representation of the mixtur= e > of the true multi-determinant singlet (that you would obtain from CASSCF > and > would have =3D 0) and the triplet state (with =3D 2). Often t= hese > broken-symmetry singlet states can yield very useful information about yo= ur > reaction coordinate, and there are ways to correct the energy of the > broken-symmetry singlet state to approximate what the true S=3D0 singlet > state > energy should be (See a number of papers by E. R. Davidson, Yamaguchi, an= d > others). > > If you want to obtain the broken-symmetry singlet state in Gaussian, ther= e > are a number of tricks in addition to the guess=3Dmix option that I have > found > successful. The most reliable option I have found is to create a fort.7 > file > of the triplet orbitals (with the punch=3Dmo keyword and using unrestrict= ed > b3lyp so that you get the "lowest energy" alpha and beta set of MOs), > determine which alpha orbitals are the ones without an occupied beta > complement (most likely the top two occupied alpha orbitals), copy the > alpha > set into the beta set so that the alpha and beta MO's are exactly > identical, > then in the beta set, move one of the one of orbital that you want to ha= ve > the spin down electron into the occupied space. You want to make sure tha= t > when you do the broken-symmetry calculation that the singly occupied alph= a > orbital and singly ocuppied beta orbitals are not the same and that they > have the electrons roughly localized where you think they should be in th= e > molecule. Then you can read in these alpha and beta orbitals using the > guess=3Dcards keyword and have the orbitals added in the end of your inpu= t > file. This is a rather bootstrap method to create a broken symmetry guess > that should have an =3D1 at the beginning of the SCF. However, the > benefit is that you know that you are giving Gaussian the best possible > guess of orbitals for the broken-symmetry state, and not relying on > Gaussian > to do it for you. Of course, there is no guarantee that the broken-symmet= ry > solution will be maintained after the SCF cycle. > > I suggest you read a bit about broken-symmetry singlet states and look at > the singly occupied alpha and beta orbitals in those papers so that you > have > a firm idea about where you want your alpha and beta electrons to be > localized for your reaction TS. Getting these broken-symmetry states can = be > quite tricky, however they will likely be faster than going to CASSCF > depending on the size of your active space. > > I hope this helps; > > Aurora > > > Aurora Clark > Assistant Professor > Department of Chemistry > Washington State University > Pullman, Wa 99164 > Ph (509)-335-3362 > Fax (509)-335-8867 > Email: auclark]_[wsu.edu > > > > > On 6/20/08 7:51 AM, "Breton, Gary gbreton__berry.edu" > wrote: > > > > > Sent to CCL by: "Breton, Gary" [gbreton|,|berry.edu] > > Hi everyone, > > > > I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. I have been working on a long > term > > project (possibly TOO long) in an attempt to locate possible transition > > states for the thermal decomposition of a series of small ring > heterocyclic > > compounds. Upon thermolysis, the compounds liberates nitric oxide (NO) > > which is a radical species (which could be important..see below). > > > > I started this project employing the DFT method at the B3LYP/6-311+G(d,= p) > > level and located a number of transition states. Being a bit na=EFve = at > the > > time, I had set the transition state calculation to search for a saddle > > point using the unrestricted B3LYP functional and at a triplet state. = I > was > > able to reproduce these same calculations using MP2/6-31G(d) with few > > additional optimization steps. IRC calculations were beautiful and > linked > > my starting materials to products as expected. The transition states > > exhibited expectation values of about 2 as expected (since I > > intentionally searched for triplet states). > > > > Later on, after reviewing a number of papers, I began to realize what I > > needed to do was search for the same TS using unrestricted (open-shell) > > procedures but optimizing to a singlet state. Under these conditions,= I > > cannot locate ANY of the transitions states even though I have tried > > manipulating the starting geometries of the input TS structures as well > as > > through use of the QST2 search feature in Gaussian. I have employed th= e > > Guess=3D Mix option in these calculations as well. The calculations fa= il > > after the molecule essentially blows apart or relaxes to something > related > > to the starting material with a residual imaginary frequency. > > > > While I am beginning to come around to the fact that CASSCF calculation= s > or > > something similar may be needed here (which I admit to being unqualifie= d > to > > carry out), is there something salvageable from all these calculations? > Is > > there a situation where a triplet optimized TS means something? Or is > there > > some "trick" to getting these TS structures (or similar) to find to a > saddle > > point as singlet structures? > > > > I hope I've provided enough information for some answers. Thanks for a= ny > > suggestions. > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Gary W. Breton > > Chair and Prof. of Chemistry > > Berry College > > PO Box 495016 > > Mount Berry, GA 30149 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = =3D- > > To recover the email address of the author of the message, please chang= e > > the strange characters on the top line to the ]_[ sign. You can also> > > > Search Messages: http://www.ccl.net/htdig (login: ccl, Password: > search)> > > > > > ------=_Part_18481_33427087.1213994247817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure where the following fits related to the issue of triplet i= nstabilities of singlet systems being discussed here, but I looked at this = issue in 1972 using G70 to study the issue for ethylene.  The pure sin= glet geometry was optimized using the 4-31 basis set.  Using the 4-31 = MOs for H2N-BH2 for the UHF alpha MO guess and those from H2B-NH2 for the b= eta MO's a sizable value of S**2 was obtained.  Then I started dec= ontracting the 4-31 valence orbitals, and S**2 decreased significantly.&nbs= p; Finally I decontracted the "core" and S**2 dropped a bit more,= finally very close to the singlet value..  Sometime later someone fol= lowed up on the issue and pointed out that if the geometry was optimized al= ong with making the basis set bigger that the UHF instability essentially w= ent away.

my $0.02..

Cheers,

John McKelvey

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Clark, Aurora auclark#wsu.edu <owner-chemistry()ccl.net> wrote:

Hi Gary;

I think it is important to be clear about the type of open-shell singlet state that you could obtain with gaussian using DFT. Using unrestricted
B3LYP it should be possible to obtain an <S^2> =3D 1 broken-symmetry<= br> broken-spin 'singlet' state that really is a representation of the = mixture
of the true multi-determinant singlet (that you would obtain from CASSCF an= d
would have <S^2> =3D 0) and the triplet state (with <S^2> =3D 2= ). Often these
broken-symmetry singlet states can yield very useful information about your=
reaction coordinate, and there are ways to correct the energy of the
broken-symmetry singlet state to approximate what the true S=3D0 singlet st= ate
energy should be (See a number of papers by E. R. Davidson, Yamaguchi, and<= br> others).

If you want to obtain the broken-symmetry singlet state in Gaussian, there<= br> are a number of tricks in addition to the guess=3Dmix option that I have fo= und
successful. The most reliable option I have found is to create a fort.7 fil= e
of the triplet orbitals (with the punch=3Dmo keyword and using unrestricted=
b3lyp so that you get the "lowest energy" alpha and beta set of M= Os),
determine which alpha orbitals are the ones without an occupied beta
complement (most likely the top two occupied alpha orbitals), copy the alph= a
set into the beta set so that the alpha and beta MO's are exactly ident= ical,
then in the beta set, move one of the  one of orbital that you want to= have
the spin down electron into the occupied space. You want to make sure that<= br> when you do the broken-symmetry calculation that the singly occupied alpha<= br> orbital and singly ocuppied beta orbitals are not the same and that they have the electrons roughly localized where you think they should be in the<= br> molecule. Then you can read in these alpha and beta orbitals using the
guess=3Dcards keyword and have the orbitals added in the end of your input<= br> file. This is a rather bootstrap method to create a broken symmetry guess that should have an <S^2> =3D1 at the beginning of the SCF. However, = the
benefit is that you know that you are giving Gaussian the best possible
guess of orbitals for the broken-symmetry state, and not relying on Gaussia= n
to do it for you. Of course, there is no guarantee that the broken-symmetry=
solution will be maintained after the SCF cycle.

I suggest you read a bit about broken-symmetry singlet states and look at the singly occupied alpha and beta orbitals in those papers so that you hav= e
a firm idea about where you want your alpha and beta electrons to be
localized for your reaction TS. Getting these broken-symmetry states can be=
quite tricky, however they will likely be faster than going to CASSCF
depending on the size of your active space.

I hope this helps;

Aurora


Aurora Clark
Assistant Professor
Department of Chemistry
Washington State University
Pullman, Wa 99164
Ph (509)-335-3362
Fax (509)-335-8867
Email: auclark]_[wsu.edu



On 6/20/08 7:51 AM, "Breton, Gary gbreton__berry.edu"
<owner-chemistry]_[ccl.net<= /a>> wrote:

>
> Sent to CCL by: "Breton, Gary" [gbreton|,|
berry.edu]
> Hi everyone,
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying their summer. I have been working on a lon= g term
> project (possibly TOO long) in an attempt to locate possible transitio= n
> states for the thermal decomposition of a series of small ring heteroc= yclic
> compounds.  Upon thermolysis, the compounds liberates nitric oxid= e (NO)
> which is a radical species (which could be important..see below).
>
> I started this project employing the DFT method at the B3LYP/6-311+G(d= ,p)
> level and located a number of transition states.  Being a bit&nbs= p; na=EFve at the
> time, I had set the transition state calculation to search for a saddl= e
> point using the unrestricted B3LYP functional and at a triplet state.&= nbsp; I was
> able to reproduce these same calculations using MP2/6-31G(d) with few<= br> > additional optimization steps.  IRC calculations were beautiful a= nd linked
> my starting materials to products as expected.  The transition st= ates
> exhibited expectation values <S*2> of about 2 as expected (since= I
> intentionally searched for triplet states).
>
> Later on, after reviewing a number of papers, I began to realize what = I
> needed to do was search for the same TS using unrestricted (open-shell= )
> procedures but optimizing to a singlet state.   Under these = conditions, I
> cannot locate ANY of the transitions states even though I have tried > manipulating the starting geometries of the input TS structures as wel= l as
> through use of the QST2 search feature in Gaussian.  I have emplo= yed the
> Guess=3D Mix option in these calculations as well.  The calculati= ons fail
> after the molecule essentially blows apart or relaxes to something rel= ated
> to the starting material with a residual imaginary frequency.
>
> While I am beginning to come around to the fact that CASSCF calculatio= ns or
> something similar may be needed here (which I admit to being unqualifi= ed to
> carry out), is there something salvageable from all these calculations= ?  Is
> there a situation where a triplet optimized TS means something?  = Or is there
> some "trick" to getting these TS structures (or similar) to = find to a saddle
> point as singlet structures?
>
> I hope I've provided enough information for some answers.  Th= anks for any
> suggestions.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Gary W. Breton
> Chair and Prof. of Chemistry
> Berry College
> PO Box 495016
> Mount Berry, GA 30149
>
>

>
>
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------=_Part_18481_33427087.1213994247817-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jun 20 23:13:00 2008 From: "Delwar Hossain hossaind2004:+:yahoo.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Free modeling software Message-Id: <-37221-080620221203-9380-NH8x1V7EVdyEWGFmzTqLiw%x%server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Delwar Hossain Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1106190635-1214010708=:92471" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:11:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Delwar Hossain [hossaind2004(_)yahoo.com] --0-1106190635-1214010708=:92471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Is there any free molecular modeling software (work like spartan) which can= be used to build molecule with different symmetry? My interest is to build= a molecular structure with different symmetry and=A0get the=A0 three dimen= tional cordinate. Thank you in advance for your generous help. With regards, Delwar=0A=0A=0A --0-1106190635-1214010708=:92471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Dear all,

Is there any free molecular modeling software (work like spartan) which can be used to build molecule with different symmetry? My interest is to build a molecular structure with different symmetry and get the  three dimentional cordinate.

Thank you in advance for your generous help.

With regards,

Delwar


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